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Old 01-31-08, 06:01 PM   #433
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That's the question - if it really has survived until here. You know I labelled the US a plutocracy in the past, and the European nations oligarchies turning into plutocracies.

I would say the author of that essay probably would not totally agree with me, but wants to warn of exactly this developement: the loss of democracy, due to dynasties taking over.
Well the "dynasties" in both cases are really confined to just four individuals. As soon as they leave office they loose their power.
Tell that the Kennedys, to name just the most wellknown. and there are many more cliques, defined as that by family bonds, and relations between capital and industry.

I do not accept you to paint it all clean and tidy, and you do not accept me to cast a shadow of a doubt on the system.
There you go again.

You accuse me of extremism while you claim to be merely slightly suggesting. Your idea of casting a "shadow" of doubt is like whacking somebody over the head with a 20lb sledge hammer and then claiming it was only a minor love tap. Is that some kind of German debating tactic?
Well, at least I am sure that all this turns into YOUR debating tactic now if I would accept to play it by your rules - so I refuse to continue it from here. Deal with the content of the essay, or don't. After all it is an American author asking some reasonable questions about his home nation. Me - I just linked it, which can be taken as an indicator that I somewhat agree with the author's concerns. If you can't see any reason in why somebody asks questions about the fact that just two rich and influential families having been in power for almost three decades now, and other family clans and cliques influencing and controlling politics over deacdes and even half a century, you probably never see much reason to ask questions in your life anyway.
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