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Daemon. thanks for the link, and yes that is what I mean, I do love the Dreadnought site, I have a huge print of a submarine plan from the old German plans section, printed on our poster size printer, it does not get any better than that!

Sonarman. I bow to your wisdom. You are so right and I am so wrong, I should have done more homework before spending my pennies though, I find that my son in law loves Midway, and he is a comic artist who had no interest in Naval matters at all. so your point is driven home even harder.

My hopes are for a true to-life sim that I can get totaly into before I get to old to follow the technology !!, SH3 and 4 are going in the right direction, and are some of the finest examples of the art form (especialy after the mods), I am realy looking forward to the Pt boat program, my second favorite vessel type after the subs are those superbly designed S-boats, the Germans had great style and flair for realy nice looking naval design.