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Originally Posted by FIREWALL
So am I to understand your saying A person can be a Village Idiot with alot of experience. Or an Einstein with no Social Graces at all.
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no that is not what i am saying.
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Originally Posted by Redbrow
To me intelligence begins with a CPU. Without a CPU all the memory ram in the world is as intelligent as a mass of mere crystals.
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No. intelligence does not compare to a CPU. a CPU provides an automatic processing of something, 0s and 1s in this case. A CPU cannot leave the pattern of it'S blueprint, never. It thus cannot grow in options and possibilities. It cannot improvise. It messes up if one Nil or one One is missing. a sofware also can only do what is encoded in it. So, both software and CPU are amongst the dumbiest things you can think of.
Intelligence means, amongst others, to be able (to varying degree) that your thinking improves, chnages, becomes better, adapts, and leads you to new ways of thinking, and to come to results whose range of possibilities is not limited from the beginning by the software you are running. Here is, were creativity and imagination, as Einstein meant it, comes into play. You need both to not think in circles just becasue it appears to be reasojmable, you need them to break deadlocks, and dare toi go on although the intellectual knowledge/experience/data suggesting that still is missing. You need it to get a feeling when you should do that - and when better not. Intuition - is a form of intelligence, or a part of it. You can go beyond expected results, and beyond the initial range of possibilities, and you can change the way of processing the new inpout. An intelligent being can improvise. It can adapt to what was not forseeable. A CPU cannot do all that. It always continues to run in the same way, like a clock, no matter what - it cannot leave the microchannels of it'S layout. A clock does not even measure anything, it has no sensors. It is an automat only, ticking in regular intervals - that'S all. clocks do not measure time. CPUs are not intelligent.
In the 80s and early 90s, our technical enthusiamsmmade us comparing man and computer at every opportunity. But the comparison does not work on any level, it is totally useless. If you think of yourself as a PC only, okay, that is no sign of intelligence, but it illustrates the practicing of free speech. but please do not include me in your generalisation, because I am no C3PO!
I see the need to point out that groups and intelligence seem to be mutually excluisve. the greater a group, the less intelliegence you see in the individual'S behavior. Especially when group means a state, a nation, a population. The options of intelligence I lined out above get reduced and cut back the more, the greater the group is, groups tend to be uniform, and the more uniform they are, the greater the groups are, the more th e individual is falling into that streamlined state of being. Stupidity is a social problem for me in the first, not so much an intellectual problem., in this understanding. You see less stupidity in people not belonging to a given group, and are independant. You see them fall victim to decreasing intelligence when group pressure and streamlined thinking gets them under their influence. In worst case, you get a movement like the Nazis: totally streamlined thinking, maximum stupidity. Religions work good at this, too, of course.
So Firewall, you see now what I meant? If not, look at politician. Often they have absolved some elite university. Nevertheless their intellects often are extremely limited, judging by their actions. Whereas university knowledge often is not needed to judge things reasonably, decide for the right, needed, approriate thing to do, and eventually becoming a valuable member of a community whose advise is being asked for. - that does not mean that education and intelligence cannot come together. they can - but it is no case i take for granted. Some profs I knew at university - were idiots, plain and simple. Another guy i remember, who was an easy, uncomplicated character, a simple mind, and having had not much school education - but nevertheless he was wise, in an unstudied, natural way.