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Redbrow · 01-23-08, 07:54 PM

(note Wave Skipper: my first title was Redbrow until something messed that account up)
GlobalExplorer - Its been done - I made V-Mod in early 2006 - where Germany won the war. A future nazi time traveler returned to Germany in the weeks before the Brits escaped from Dunkirk. He shows Hitler proof why this will lead to the end of the 3rd Reich. Hitler decides to throw everything in to preventing the British army escaping - this causes lots of changes in history and blah, blah, blah (the story was just a back drop excuse to change everything. In V-Mod (Victory mod) U-boat bases were established all over the world by 1943 - such as a secret base in Chile, and another in the Axis Aleutian Base in Alaska (since Japan takes parts of the mainland in Alaska).

Britain falls before the end of 1940:

German Zugkraftwagen of 2nd Motorized Infantry at Broadgate, London.

Hitler visits the USA after Britain's fall

Hitler visits FDR and throws FDR's war plans for a total loop. Japan, thanks to the time traveler's information decides to delay their attack on Pearl until Dec. 14th 1941, thus catching all three aircraft carriers and sinking them. The Japanese make huge gains beyond what they did in the original timeline - thanks to having all the Allied codes given to them by the time traveler.

But by June 42 the USA is finally at war with Germany anyway.

U-boat bases will be built in the Azores (makes the trip to America a breeze), Iceland, Brazil, Chile, and Alaska - not to mention the Horn of Africa, and finally Iran.

In late 1940, using special data from the time traveler, the SS use their new fallschirmjager units to take care of the Tommy pilots their own way.

Note:
A radio intercept from an unknown British army unit on the 20th adds to our understanding of the event:
“Repeat – we have retaken the airfield. Have captured two wounded Germans who say they are SS-Fallschirmjäger. All the spitfires are beyond repair. The bloody Jerries slaughtered all of our pilots here before we could retake the base! What are our orders now sir?”

Hidden U-boat Base of the 3rd SS Flotilla Wiking in Chile, using a fake Swedish mining complex. 'The Swedes love to mine their own business'

Underwater gate to the secret base in Chile

The Congo gives new meaning to the name Afrika Korps. But after the Germans secure most of Africa and take Cape Town - things go bad for them. The Ruskies launch counter attacks from their roosts in the Urals and retake Moscow. The Americans are able to show down the German bases in the Pacific. Parts of Great Britain revolt and throw off the Nazi occupiers. Hitler is shot in the face by Rommel during a heated argument about why Hitler ordered Rommel' army to allow itself to be surrounded and destroyed.

Donitz takes over the Reich per Hitler's last will and testament. He cleans up the Nazi party and sets Germany on a course near the one the Kaiser would have followed. The new Obergruppenfuhrer of the SS Navy, Otto Skorzeny (who in the real time line tried to design piloted V-1s piggy backed on planes to their attack locations - never was realized) designs in this timeline a Unterseeboot Mistel Projekt

A way to use captured allied merchants with false flags to move U-boats great distances.

In the end Donitz gives up trying to make peace with FDR and the Brit government - now in Canada - and so he orders Operation Gotterdammerung - nuclear attacks.

1945/5/2: Message from Reichspräsident Donitz to his beloved U-boat crews and officers, I wanted you to be the first to hear of this. Today we pile-drive America into a pit of utter surrender. Last August, Reichszeitstrahlmarschall Göring revealed to me an astounding secret, one that I now share with you. We have all passed this way before in another line of time, in which we were utterly defeated! But Nazi scientists survived that war to carry on with astounding research into time travel. Thus, in the year 2033 they sent a man with amazing computing devices, back through time to early May, 1940. Because of that event, we are at this very moment launching 326 of our newer rockets so as to obliterate the American Eastern Seaboard. Heil Hitler!

But the truth was this moving of U-boat bases - while fun an all - was a little like trying to have sex with your lover all over the house - in the end it changed nothing - same old lover - or in this case - same old by SH3 AI.

What bothered me was how while some wanted to play this - most did not because really they are reenactors - like the guys who dress up Civil War and play battle on old battlefields. They are not trying to play a game - they are after pretending to be real U-boat captains in the real war. ANd they go crazy everytime they think a new pixel has been added to the game that somehow seems to make the game more true to life. That's ok. I understand that. Wrong community. Of course in my Mod I made most Brit ships as GENERIC that could be used by several nations (but at the time I did not see too many 3d models and SH4 models had not even come out yet!)

I posted this picture to this forum last month:

And no one even seemed to notice it all. So I decided that alternate reality was a dead issue on Subsim and I removed V-mod stuff off the net.

The truth is - my theory of the mod was to force players to get their points by sinking tons of warships. The reason? The Merchants have next to no AI and are like fish swimming in a bucket waiting for you to shoot them with a shotgun!
So I wanted a new game theory: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/redbr...mod_theory.htm

But even that did not work, cause once you know the warship AI by heart the warships are like fish in a bucket too. Until the hardcoded AI is released for us to play with, all this new skin, new map, new dials, new deck - just is like adding a fancy saddle to a milk-wagon horse.

Still I am trying to find a new way to do something along this line...of helping out the game AI...

01-23-08, 07:54 PM	#11
Redbrow Seaman Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 39 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Redbrow returneth (note Wave Skipper: my first title was Redbrow until something messed that account up) GlobalExplorer - Its been done - I made V-Mod in early 2006 - where Germany won the war. A future nazi time traveler returned to Germany in the weeks before the Brits escaped from Dunkirk. He shows Hitler proof why this will lead to the end of the 3rd Reich. Hitler decides to throw everything in to preventing the British army escaping - this causes lots of changes in history and blah, blah, blah (the story was just a back drop excuse to change everything. In V-Mod (Victory mod) U-boat bases were established all over the world by 1943 - such as a secret base in Chile, and another in the Axis Aleutian Base in Alaska (since Japan takes parts of the mainland in Alaska). Britain falls before the end of 1940: German Zugkraftwagen of 2nd Motorized Infantry at Broadgate, London. Hitler visits the USA after Britain's fall Hitler visits FDR and throws FDR's war plans for a total loop. Japan, thanks to the time traveler's information decides to delay their attack on Pearl until Dec. 14th 1941, thus catching all three aircraft carriers and sinking them. The Japanese make huge gains beyond what they did in the original timeline - thanks to having all the Allied codes given to them by the time traveler. But by June 42 the USA is finally at war with Germany anyway. U-boat bases will be built in the Azores (makes the trip to America a breeze), Iceland, Brazil, Chile, and Alaska - not to mention the Horn of Africa, and finally Iran. In late 1940, using special data from the time traveler, the SS use their new fallschirmjager units to take care of the Tommy pilots their own way. Note: A radio intercept from an unknown British army unit on the 20th adds to our understanding of the event: “Repeat – we have retaken the airfield. Have captured two wounded Germans who say they are SS-Fallschirmjäger. All the spitfires are beyond repair. The bloody Jerries slaughtered all of our pilots here before we could retake the base! What are our orders now sir?” Hidden U-boat Base of the 3rd SS Flotilla Wiking in Chile, using a fake Swedish mining complex. 'The Swedes love to mine their own business' Underwater gate to the secret base in Chile The Congo gives new meaning to the name Afrika Korps. But after the Germans secure most of Africa and take Cape Town - things go bad for them. The Ruskies launch counter attacks from their roosts in the Urals and retake Moscow. The Americans are able to show down the German bases in the Pacific. Parts of Great Britain revolt and throw off the Nazi occupiers. Hitler is shot in the face by Rommel during a heated argument about why Hitler ordered Rommel' army to allow itself to be surrounded and destroyed. Donitz takes over the Reich per Hitler's last will and testament. He cleans up the Nazi party and sets Germany on a course near the one the Kaiser would have followed. The new Obergruppenfuhrer of the SS Navy, Otto Skorzeny (who in the real time line tried to design piloted V-1s piggy backed on planes to their attack locations - never was realized) designs in this timeline a Unterseeboot Mistel Projekt A way to use captured allied merchants with false flags to move U-boats great distances. In the end Donitz gives up trying to make peace with FDR and the Brit government - now in Canada - and so he orders Operation Gotterdammerung - nuclear attacks. 1945/5/2: Message from Reichspräsident Donitz to his beloved U-boat crews and officers, I wanted you to be the first to hear of this. Today we pile-drive America into a pit of utter surrender. Last August, Reichszeitstrahlmarschall Göring revealed to me an astounding secret, one that I now share with you. We have all passed this way before in another line of time, in which we were utterly defeated! But Nazi scientists survived that war to carry on with astounding research into time travel. Thus, in the year 2033 they sent a man with amazing computing devices, back through time to early May, 1940. Because of that event, we are at this very moment launching 326 of our newer rockets so as to obliterate the American Eastern Seaboard. Heil Hitler! But the truth was this moving of U-boat bases - while fun an all - was a little like trying to have sex with your lover all over the house - in the end it changed nothing - same old lover - or in this case - same old by SH3 AI. What bothered me was how while some wanted to play this - most did not because really they are reenactors - like the guys who dress up Civil War and play battle on old battlefields. They are not trying to play a game - they are after pretending to be real U-boat captains in the real war. ANd they go crazy everytime they think a new pixel has been added to the game that somehow seems to make the game more true to life. That's ok. I understand that. Wrong community. Of course in my Mod I made most Brit ships as GENERIC that could be used by several nations (but at the time I did not see too many 3d models and SH4 models had not even come out yet!) I posted this picture to this forum last month: And no one even seemed to notice it all. So I decided that alternate reality was a dead issue on Subsim and I removed V-mod stuff off the net. The truth is - my theory of the mod was to force players to get their points by sinking tons of warships. The reason? The Merchants have next to no AI and are like fish swimming in a bucket waiting for you to shoot them with a shotgun! So I wanted a new game theory: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/redbr...mod_theory.htm But even that did not work, cause once you know the warship AI by heart the warships are like fish in a bucket too. Until the hardcoded AI is released for us to play with, all this new skin, new map, new dials, new deck - just is like adding a fancy saddle to a milk-wagon horse. Still I am trying to find a new way to do something along this line...of helping out the game AI... __________________ Redbrow Last edited by Redbrow; 01-23-08 at 08:05 PM.