I wonder when it will sink into people's minds in this thread that nowheree it was said they took the job recently and then demanded smoking to stop, but that it is more likely that they just took opportunity of laws that were not implement until most recently. Our smoking laws came in steps, over recent years. Before these new laws, smoking was allowed almost everywhere, in all kinds of offices, and a non-smoker stood no chance to protest against this. So realistically, non-smokers had no realistic chance to find a job in their profession without needing to accept smokers. It's just that in the course of just the last two years the laws have been changed so that smoking no longer necessarily must be accepted, and employers have a binding obligation to make smoke-free working places available. they do not stand above the law, and this employer kicking out the non-smokers because they reminded him of the new legal situation , and probably repeatedly i assume, is violating these laws.
Just on radio I heared the story being covered yesterday morning, i did not find it in the newspapers I use to scan daily. And on radio it was said that meanwhile the case has gone to the courts in Düsseldorf. And I am sure that the employer needs to accepot the two people he fired back into work. He is no exception from the rule and need to obey laws like everybody else, period.
In bars and restaurants it will also become much harsher after the introductory times that vary between 3 and 6 months in various federal states, is over, becasue runners of restaiurants hardly can afford penalties of up to 50 thousand Euros if they do not obey the new laws.
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
I find it amazing when non-smokers pick up the flag and run with it concerning pubs and smoking. If it offensive, find a pub that does not allow smoking or just do not attend. Everyone should suspect smoking will occur in the pubs. When I find any place offensive, I do not go there.
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Again, originator principle, "polluter pays". From ireland and Italy there were reports that while some smokers left, even more non-smokers came in that usually would not have done so. It cannot be that somebody causing a troubole is demanding others to stay away from the freedom he enjoys himself while smokijng. You smoke, so you are responsible for not pestering others by your habits. If non-smokers around do not care, fine, you are lucky. If they are irritated by your smoking, it is not them but you who has to leave, or not to smoke. It would be the same if you become lud, misbehave, vomit on the table, or turn on a ghetto blaster - you are the one causing the mess, so you are responsible for ending the mess.