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Old 12-23-07, 06:54 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II
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At the same time, she realizes that what is happening to her is not right.
One must wonder though, how would the author know this? Did he read the girl's mind?

Did every person in the world in our entire history who was married through omiai or any other form of arranged marriage, or political marriages ... etc, feel that way?
All that does not matter. It is an 11 year old child we talk about. And if you ever would have dealt with little children, you would know that children do not feel well about being raped at that age. We call it pedophilia, and we have penalties for it. Right so!

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It is probably possible to use utilitarian calculations to create an argument for free marriages by suggesting that the amount of love (happiness) flowing will generally increase. But how can the author figure the girl will "feel something is not right."
Maybe you would do that, but I doubt that many would follow oyu nin that.

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Why does he then proceed to assume that the man is completely oblivious to his wrongdoing?
Becasue he was raised according to these traditions, and never learned to imagine different ways.

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Why does the girl get to feel it is "natural but not right" but the man must feel "natural and right" to an immoral act?
Becasue you can have a fate you imagine not to be able to ever chnage - and still see it is not right, and the man is not the victim, while the child is.

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Love Is a Word from the Decadent West
As for the arrogance of assuming that love is something invented by Western society ... assuming that a biochemical process is "invented" by Western society ... sigh.

It is probably accurate to say that in a society of arranged marriages, love is subordinated to other priorities (with the female's love generally more subordinated). But that's a whole different case of lemons.
See the context. For muhammedan teaching, human rights as well as "love" for the satanic creature that a woman is is very much just a word from the decadent West indeed. Were we talk of love, Muhammedanism is about controlling satanic energies, and talks about non-humans, who are life-stock to breed and produce new MALE humans and fighters for islam. BTW, you can have arranged marriages (bad enough) - and still deal with adults only. It still means that offsprings are regarded as property of their parents, and often they try to make a profit from arranging marriages that does not focus on the man's and woman's interests and desires, but those of the parents. but this is not the focus of that essay.

You really try hard not to see the point, do you. Your relativise exactly in the same way the author is criticising. Seeing different habits in the context of different cultures is all nice and well - but you get carried away by it and are no longer able to see the difference between good and evil, perpetrator and victim, and seeing a crime taking place - defined on the ground of humanism as the deciding standard.

You do not destroy half a childhood, treat children like meat and marry and rape them. If you can't see that and think you must start a pseudo-intellectual debate on why it maybe all is not so bad - then I can only be sorry for you. It is not an appendix in some academical piece of work we talk of - it is a little child. And if it is done like in this essay's example in many places, many times a day - it still remains to be wrong.

Not by Western standards - but by human standards.
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