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Skybird · 12-15-07, 11:22 AM

Raptor: year, current number of total planes ordered, costs per piece:

1990 - 750 - 149 Mio
1993 - 442 - 162 Mio
1997 - 339 - 187 Mio
2003 - 279 - 257 Mio
2005 - 178 - 345 Mio

these numbers are production costs, inclduing - in shares - costs for developement and research. Your lower numbers assume that the raptor fell down from the sky and was just to be copied, saving a lot of money that way.

these costs are so high that the Raptor hardly will become a great export success, in fact it laready has lost several competitions, namely in the Guld and SE Asia region. Since it's specifications are in parts surpassed by the Eurofighter, and since it's shining features like supercruise and stealth only can be realised with minimum and internal payload, this is again a reason why the Raptor will not become much cheaper by raising production numbers. It's a good design, but it will not become a commercial success. It is often said that the kill ratio between the eurofighter and the Raptor statistically is expected to be around roughly 1:4, making the eurofighter the closest rival to the Raptor in this statistical war, but that means that by production costs, four shot down eurofighter equals the costs of 1 shot down Raptor. If considering risks of accidents causing losses (financially), and slow numbers available for military operations, and having less diversity in military combat profiles it can conductcompared to the eurofighter, the Raptor militarily makes less sense for a global power, than the eurofighter does, which for the same money could be produced in four times as high numbers, has more capabilities, and thus could be made available by the US in sufficient numbers around the globe. Seen that way, the whole thing is a bit queer: because Europe has more use for the Raptor to secure the limited local area of Eurpopean airspace with a limited number of airplanes, while America has more use for the Eurofighter with it's much higher quantities and wider combat role possebilities.

tighten your seat-belts before starting to follow the cost spiral for the F-35. It will see the same way upwards like Raptor and Eurofighter. In the end it will cost 2.5 times as much as originally planned - minimum.

12-15-07, 11:22 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,696 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Raptor: year, current number of total planes ordered, costs per piece: 1990 - 750 - 149 Mio 1993 - 442 - 162 Mio 1997 - 339 - 187 Mio 2003 - 279 - 257 Mio 2005 - 178 - 345 Mio these numbers are production costs, inclduing - in shares - costs for developement and research. Your lower numbers assume that the raptor fell down from the sky and was just to be copied, saving a lot of money that way. these costs are so high that the Raptor hardly will become a great export success, in fact it laready has lost several competitions, namely in the Guld and SE Asia region. Since it's specifications are in parts surpassed by the Eurofighter, and since it's shining features like supercruise and stealth only can be realised with minimum and internal payload, this is again a reason why the Raptor will not become much cheaper by raising production numbers. It's a good design, but it will not become a commercial success. It is often said that the kill ratio between the eurofighter and the Raptor statistically is expected to be around roughly 1:4, making the eurofighter the closest rival to the Raptor in this statistical war, but that means that by production costs, four shot down eurofighter equals the costs of 1 shot down Raptor. If considering risks of accidents causing losses (financially), and slow numbers available for military operations, and having less diversity in military combat profiles it can conductcompared to the eurofighter, the Raptor militarily makes less sense for a global power, than the eurofighter does, which for the same money could be produced in four times as high numbers, has more capabilities, and thus could be made available by the US in sufficient numbers around the globe. Seen that way, the whole thing is a bit queer: because Europe has more use for the Raptor to secure the limited local area of Eurpopean airspace with a limited number of airplanes, while America has more use for the Eurofighter with it's much higher quantities and wider combat role possebilities. tighten your seat-belts before starting to follow the cost spiral for the F-35. It will see the same way upwards like Raptor and Eurofighter. In the end it will cost 2.5 times as much as originally planned - minimum. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.