Why don't you guys just darned well grow up and all walk away from this seemingly futile and stupid debate that it has become. As is almost always the case neither side is willing to give an inch. Just walk away because it is starting to look really silly with all the name calling of liar, cheat, anti-american bla bla bla. 
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