[Skybird]

I'm tired of your distortions and false accusations about me, and your total inability to stay focussed on the original content of this thread or the contexts of my postings), and the example in the starting story. I suggest you exchange some more PMs with your friends.

You strongly give the impression of being unable to bear any criticism of your country at all, and labelling that as anti-americanism completely, always. and by that you are the living clue why worldwide so many people have such a critical view our your nation'S self-perception. you think yo are the knights of the holy grail. But you aren't. You are just one nation amongst many others, with light and shadow, like many others.

that you probabaly do not reflect on with your friends in your PMs. more likely that you all spend time clapping each other's shoulders.

By
- ignoring the sovereignity of other nations, and their laws,
- and by ignoring the treaties of extradition which the US has signed with the EU, and other nations, and agreed upon,
- by claiming instead the right to secretely kidnapp suspects from foreign countries, friendlies, neutrals and hostile alike,

the United states demand to be the judge of all world and being free to overrule any other nation's law and sovereignity at will indeed. Get this into your brain, August, it is not too difficult to understand the linking, as long as one has not replaced brain with dogmatism. It is a disgrace for your nation's historic ethical claims, and it is the truth of what was to be discussed here. Close your eyes, and keep on imagining that America is not what it is today, and does not do what it does, and means it always different, and is only light, no shadow. But the reality will stay unaltered by your imgination. In other words: make your choice between fantasy, and realism. But you already have, and in favour of the first.

Our little tete-a-tete ends exactly here.