[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

then play withoiut cheats. Leave the UN. You reserve rights for yourself that you do not grant to others, and abuse the Unb to acchieve with other (sovereign) states what yiou would never accept for yourself in return.

Leaving the UN would be fine by me.

If Iran has /or makes a law that says it shall not give up sovereignity to any international body, would you accept it unconditionally? No, you would not.

Wrong. I'd accept it just fine just as i accept the concept that Germans have the right to govern themselves first and paramount.

Ypou declare that ameircn laws undocntionally rule over any other nations' laws, and international laws, rules and agreement.

I declared no such thing. According to our constitution our leaders may not enter into any treaty, agreement or abide by any international law that surrenders our sovereignity to anyone. Sorry if you don't like it but that's the way it is.

You even vilate the sovereignity of allied nations, becaue you American law says that is fine for the US. That makes the US the centre of the known universe. and that earns you criticism, well-deserved.

So US government is violating the sovereignty of allied nations because we'll prosecute a criminal that is returned to our jurisdiction even if his capture violated the laws of the country he was apprehended in? I know English isn't your first language Skybird but surely you don't expect us to let a criminal, like say a bin Laden go scot free, just because his capture violated someone elses local laws.

T tell you the truth: I do not know anybody in Germany who sees himself as a vasall of American laws. Strange, isn't it.

Not so strange I guess, we haven't seen German as a vassal state since we ended the post ww2 occupation of your country.

If you want a supsect from european cojhntries to be handed over to your authorities, I strongly suggest that you ask us, simply that, and make treaties with us that make such cooperations a thing of reciprocity, instead of using unilateral secrecy by which you violate the sovereignity of OUR nations.

And if you refuse to give up someone like a bin Laden? What then? War is a better alternative?

Or would you like it if the BKA starts hunting US citizens inside the US and kidnapp them without ever even caring for what your authorities think of that, not to mention: your people?

Nobody is saying you wouldn't have the right to prosecute the hunters if you catch them in accordance with your own laws. So as long as that's understood then go right ahead. I suppose if we really can't deal with it we can always declare war or hit you with sanctions.

Like America is not one of germany's federal state, so are the european nations and the rest of the globe no part opf the united states. and that is what limits the valdity of your laws - at you borders.

Your sarcasm aside, we'll just have to agree to disagree here Skybird. A fugitive from our justice system is still a fugitive whether or not your country decides to shelter him. We'll do whatever we can do to get him back even if it means treading on your self righteous toes a little if you refuse to cooperate.