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Old 11-28-07, 07:38 AM   #110
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"In a mulitude of counslers there is wisdom..." (Iceman)

Especially when they all are yelling with the same voice, yelling the same stuff, keeping away other voices as best as they can, and tell you you have no future in a place if you do not join them. Which effectively make the multitude of counselors de facto just one single counselor. And that is a bit thin between the ears.

You love that uniformity of opinion only because it matches your opinion, Iceman. If it would be something different, in opposition to your opinion, you would demand for a more proper representation of cultural diversity, to have your views included. Diversity for you is ideological uniformity - YOUR uniformity. It's that kind of "diversity" they have in the Chinese parliament, and that they had in the GDR, and the Eastern block. It represents "reason", and the "demand of the majority of the people" - in the understanding of this being true in the Third Reich as well. - The Nazis never were supported by a majority of Nazi activists in Germany, they lived by intimidation, securing key psoitons and security, bullying, a climate of anonymous fear. and evangelical fundamentalism is not any representative for all Christianity. It is one sect only, demanding more shares than are it's own, and ruthlessly pushing for dominance over the others.

You guys mix up your private religions, with "diversity", and "proper representation of factions". You see yourself at the centre of the world, and do not care for diversity and freedom at all - if it means that your own conviction is dominant and at the centre of all. Then the abandoning of freedom, diversity, even democracy is very well okay for you. As long as it is in the name of making others believe what you believe, all that uniformity and tyranny is very much okay. and if these others challenge your selfish views, defend themselves against your intended dominance, quesation your motives - you accuse them to be immoral and accuse them of all the things that you are practcing yourself exessively to secure your grab for power.

And you want to live the ideals of the founding fathers, and the ideals of the constitution? You are it's worst enemies, enemies from within. And the changes you accept, would lead into an American fundamentalist theocracy indead.

And that is not what America, it's ideals, values and constitution, the intention of the founding fathers were about. No matter in what sect's name such changes come along. It is not freedom of relgion, it is the abuse of that freedom, to lock away all religions in favour of just one single sectarian view.

The uncritical, selfish acceptance of these serious distortions of basic American ideals is what confirms me in my assessement that institutionalised theistic religions only lead to intolerance and turn out the worst in man. And when a military gets dominated by such men, and peace and war gets decided by their views, then this is an extremely dangerous thing, and everybody has all reason there is to be worried.

And believe it or not - this lack of tolerance is only somehow logical, for the Bible is not in explicit fdefense of tolerance. That is a conception from the enlightenment, the tradition of the French revolution. The Bible has not much positive to say on tolerance, nor have the gospels. Jesus did not say that others should be tolerated. He just said that if you wish to free yourself, you have to accept to walk your way, pick up your burden, and accept your responsibility. He said you should leave others behind, if they do not see the need of doing like he does. Tolerance in the meaning of valuing other's different view did not play a role in his teachings. "Leavbe the others behind and let the dead bury their dead". Keep their religion to them, and keep your religion to yourself, that's how it could be said in modern words.

If this is a healthy, peace-preserving attitude in today's close nearness of armed selfish cultures, is something different. One more of many reasons not to take old scriptures literally.
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