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Ducimus · 11-04-07, 01:11 PM

I have to admit, on this debate, i have to take a good long look at the inside of myself to understand why i get antagonistic, i know i do it, and its not intentional. Normally with debates, i don't have an emotional attachment, but with SH4, i do. And i admit this.

I think its because, quite simply of nationlistic feeling, or some odd sense of patriotism. I mean, ive played uboats, for 3 years. I learned all about their history, but how now, heres a game that was about my country's history! I love my country with all heart and served my stint in the military like many before me, and here is a game about my own countries history. So i think when people put the game down, or slight the US sub service, i just get angry. It feels like an indirect insult. I know thats now how people intend it, but it feels that way none the less.

Ive often thought about this portion of history. Here was a theater when were were not the aggressors, here was a war where the cause was just, and what we had to do was clear. The other day i read this passage, and in my mind, it encapsuled what the PTO, and ultimatly SH4 is all about:

"The jack entered Pearl Harbor on May 21 1943- some sixteen months after the strike on Pearl Harbor. It was a solemn moment for all of us as we went past Ford Island and saw the place where our battle fleet had been destroyed. Work was still under way on some of the sunken battleships, and the mainmast of the Arizona was still serving as a coffin for the more then one thousand officers and sailors trapped in her, could be seen in the distance.

Looking at the actual scenes of this disaster, i felt as though something very sacred to my country has been raped and pillaged - not in the fair give-and-take of war, but without warning on a calm and peaceful sunday morning, while men slept in their bunks.

I do not consider myself a vengeful person, but that morning i felt a deep burning desire to show these people they could not do that to the United States without paying a dreadful price. To my young mind, the day those red-ball-marked planes winged in from the north was one that indeed would live in infamy and change the world forever"

And you know, it isn't so much that people want to add uboats to Sh4, its the enthusiam to do so. Its like people are so eager to cast aside what was truly a just cause and, drape it with the flag of the third reich. Thats what hurts the most.

11-04-07, 01:11 PM	#34
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I have to admit, on this debate, i have to take a good long look at the inside of myself to understand why i get antagonistic, i know i do it, and its not intentional. Normally with debates, i don't have an emotional attachment, but with SH4, i do. And i admit this. I think its because, quite simply of nationlistic feeling, or some odd sense of patriotism. I mean, ive played uboats, for 3 years. I learned all about their history, but how now, heres a game that was about my country's history! I love my country with all heart and served my stint in the military like many before me, and here is a game about my own countries history. So i think when people put the game down, or slight the US sub service, i just get angry. It feels like an indirect insult. I know thats now how people intend it, but it feels that way none the less. Ive often thought about this portion of history. Here was a theater when were were not the aggressors, here was a war where the cause was just, and what we had to do was clear. The other day i read this passage, and in my mind, it encapsuled what the PTO, and ultimatly SH4 is all about: "The jack entered Pearl Harbor on May 21 1943- some sixteen months after the strike on Pearl Harbor. It was a solemn moment for all of us as we went past Ford Island and saw the place where our battle fleet had been destroyed. Work was still under way on some of the sunken battleships, and the mainmast of the Arizona was still serving as a coffin for the more then one thousand officers and sailors trapped in her, could be seen in the distance. Looking at the actual scenes of this disaster, i felt as though something very sacred to my country has been raped and pillaged - not in the fair give-and-take of war, but without warning on a calm and peaceful sunday morning, while men slept in their bunks. I do not consider myself a vengeful person, but that morning i felt a deep burning desire to show these people they could not do that to the United States without paying a dreadful price. To my young mind, the day those red-ball-marked planes winged in from the north was one that indeed would live in infamy and change the world forever" And you know, it isn't so much that people want to add uboats to Sh4, its the enthusiam to do so. Its like people are so eager to cast aside what was truly a just cause and, drape it with the flag of the third reich. Thats what hurts the most.