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Originally Posted by Chock
I'm actually a real fan of the founding principles of the United States, and frankly I think what they did to my own country (UK) 200-odd years ago was totally righteous; the words of Jefferson and Payne et al are something other countries would do well in striving to follow, so understand that I am not having a pop at the US here, merely the people in power who steer it for their own ends. But the current US is so far removed from upholding those concepts these days that it is easy to see why so many peoples around the world view the US as an enemy, and the repercussions of what seeds are sewn were of course writ large on 9/11, and it will happen again if policy stays the same, of that you can be sure.
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Ha! I'm saying that for years! In different words, of course. some people still think that the last 70 years since WWII did not take place and the US is still the same actor and is still perceived in the same way like back then, after the liberation of europe and winning in the Pacific. That america of back then i would fully support today. but the old ideals as expressed in the principles the foundation of the US was taking place upon, has been corrupted, abandoned to some major degree, and a caste of selfish politicians and business lobbies haveabused them to blind Americans over the fact that they were hijacked. The last major figure of major format warning of this was probably Eisenhower, and his famous farewell-speech where he warned in scaring plain words of what we know today as the military-industrial complex. Eisenhower as president is also quoted with something like this: "God help this country if ever somebody gets into my position but does not have my insight into the military and the attached industry." With Bush, his worst nightmare became true, but Bush was not the first moving in that direction away from the original American ideals. so, on paper and by historic intention, america could be a great example (which does not mean it would have the right to enforce it's own example onto others), but the modern present's reality, I fear, is far more disillusionizing. America's rise was extremely fast, maybe that is the reason why it's climb over the climax and entering the phase of moral decline again wasn't much slower: input energy=output energy. Don't they say evolution causes more stable and longer lasting results than revolution? It would be great to have back the US with the moral respectability of the 30s and 40s, but that time is gone, dead, and over. All we know is that we could need it back.