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CB.. · 10-12-07, 10:05 AM

he he!..ok try this

the only people who can defeat the Afghans ..are other Afghans..
wether that is in the form of the Afghan government forces or overwhelming Afghan social dissaproval and pressure..

to allow this Afghanistan needs a strong independant government ..(same with Iraq i would guess).of course this isn't going to happen..because this runs the risk of Afghanistan doing it's own thing which may not fit in with our plans..(strong independat government etc ..self explanatory..)...(again probably the same with Iraq)....military might can only defeat military might...except as shown with Saddams Iraq and others..where that military might is coming from the countrys own armed forces...ie oppression military state dictatorship etc etc..we are not fighting military might...we are fighting civilians with weapons...hearts and minds..
the military can't win the hearts and minds of some one else's country...by staying the only intelligible message being transfered to the population is that we haven't given power back to your government...we don't trust your government..and because we don't trust your government..we will not hand power over to it..
nice catch 22 which cannot be lost on the population..(no matter how intialy gratefull they may have been for the regime change etc)
this may sound out of place...but keep rolling the dice...you still need a six to get out of jail no matter how fancy the arguments..

government by the people for the people...we either do what we say we wanted to do or stop kidding our selves..or do we not trust the Afghans?? or do we not trust the Iraq's...what is it that we want from them?? these are the questions that differentiate between liberation and colonisation..the answers are brewing in the hearts and minds of the population as we speak..and will continue to do so...at an ever accelerating rate as time goes by...soon even the neutrals will pick a side
the Aghanistan government is more than capable of taking care of the situation in Afghanistan...and if it isn't capable...then ...well...er....fill in blank as appropiate?

remember that the majority of any countrys population do not normally think in such terms as would grace a so called "high minded" debate such as this..they react to what they see experience and hear...every day..they/we have a "gut reaction" and in a democracy it's that "gut reaction" that wins elections..lol round and round we go...what DO they/we want ?

ordinary people (like our selves) doing ordinary things...frankly they/we don't want to be ruled by any one other than members of their/our own population...on that you/we/they any-one can depend..

10-12-07, 10:05 AM	#9
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	he he!..ok try this the only people who can defeat the Afghans ..are other Afghans.. wether that is in the form of the Afghan government forces or overwhelming Afghan social dissaproval and pressure.. to allow this Afghanistan needs a strong independant government ..(same with Iraq i would guess).of course this isn't going to happen..because this runs the risk of Afghanistan doing it's own thing which may not fit in with our plans..(strong independat government etc ..self explanatory..)...(again probably the same with Iraq)....military might can only defeat military might...except as shown with Saddams Iraq and others..where that military might is coming from the countrys own armed forces...ie oppression military state dictatorship etc etc..we are not fighting military might...we are fighting civilians with weapons...hearts and minds.. the military can't win the hearts and minds of some one else's country...by staying the only intelligible message being transfered to the population is that we haven't given power back to your government...we don't trust your government..and because we don't trust your government..we will not hand power over to it.. nice catch 22 which cannot be lost on the population..(no matter how intialy gratefull they may have been for the regime change etc) this may sound out of place...but keep rolling the dice...you still need a six to get out of jail no matter how fancy the arguments.. government by the people for the people...we either do what we say we wanted to do or stop kidding our selves..or do we not trust the Afghans?? or do we not trust the Iraq's...what is it that we want from them?? these are the questions that differentiate between liberation and colonisation..the answers are brewing in the hearts and minds of the population as we speak..and will continue to do so...at an ever accelerating rate as time goes by...soon even the neutrals will pick a side the Aghanistan government is more than capable of taking care of the situation in Afghanistan...and if it isn't capable...then ...well...er....fill in blank as appropiate? remember that the majority of any countrys population do not normally think in such terms as would grace a so called "high minded" debate such as this..they react to what they see experience and hear...every day..they/we have a "gut reaction" and in a democracy it's that "gut reaction" that wins elections..lol round and round we go...what DO they/we want ? ordinary people (like our selves) doing ordinary things...frankly they/we don't want to be ruled by any one other than members of their/our own population...on that you/we/they any-one can depend.. __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats Last edited by CB..; 10-12-07 at 10:33 AM.