[The Avon Lady]

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Oh thats smart - if you are in someone else's private rhealm, you give up your rights?

You're forcing the owner of that other private realm to give give his. No one is forcing you to enter another's private property.

Doesn't work like that in the US of A.

Yes, I'm still trying to understand why, not what, thought even the "what" is difficult to google for to get clear legal facts and the rationale behind them.

If you want to practice business in the US of A, you and everyone else are granted certain rights - just like you can't search the mailman if he is delivering mail to you and happens to step in your home.

Prove to me that it is illegal in the US to put up a sign on your private home's front door warning all people who enter that they are subject to search. If that should result in the inability for the mailman to deliver to such a residence, that will be the price such a citizen will pay for what should be his legitimate insistance. You and I might normally despise this but that question is why this person isn't within his rights.

You can put any sign you want - not that it will hold any salt.

Legal code proof, please.

The only way that this would be considered OK is if I signed a declaration with my own signature prior to entering your premises.

Which Constitutional ammendment says that?

What? Assuming everyone is a thief?

No. Dealing with the fact that theft and shoplifting causes billions of dollars of loses annually.

Not good enough. Assumptions hold no salt - its like opinions - and we all know what assume means - Ass U Me.

Again, I am asking for the legal code proof on why this is unconstitutional based on the 4th or any other ammendment.

And how is your purse not held to the same manner?

Here's how it should work:[indent]1. Stores post a written policy noting that they must confirm that what they claim to have purchased is confirmed by a receipt. Incidentally, I don't know if store should need to post this or if this can already be considered a reasonable assumption, given that this has been so common for a long time.

2. Person makes purchase and receives a receipt.

3. Security guard checks that what is being carried out is paid for. Now here, I am not advocating that the guard has the right to inspect your belongings, other than purchased items in the open or store bagged. However, if that was that stated/accepted policy, i.e., that bags are subject to search prior to leaving the store, I still question why this is not allowed, as per my notes above about the rights of the property owner. Again and again, if you don't like the policy, no one is forcing you to enter.

Reasonable cause is a tricky situation, but can be used to open your trunk, but that reasonable cause has to be something like drugs seen on the drivers seat.

Again you gave an example of a search within one's own private domain.

For example, if you visit a VIP's private home, are the guards at the door allowed to search you for weapons? I've never heard that this is illegal anywhere. If you don't like it, do not enter. A store is no different, other than thinking that commercial establishments and corporations have no such similar rights.

You can - but must be a signed legal document.

Again, based on what? There are lots of laws relating to behavior in someone else's private and commercial establishments. Why don't you have to sign to agree to all of those? What is the legal proof of such a signature requirement. Furthermore, can a signed statement wave a Constitutional Ammendment? I wonder.

SO you going to ask your customers to waive their rights simply for entering your store, and spend time reading what would probably amount to a 10 page small typed document of lawyers legal terms? I think not. SImply entering your store does not grant you the right to make me give up my rights.

Once again, proof requested.

Maybe in Isreal

Um no, it's been done in this US way prior to here and is not as common here as in the US.

In fact, here it's 90% the opposite. Personal belongings are checked for weapons and explosives PRIOR to entering a store, a sad fact of life.

but in the US, no one has ever dared ask me for a receipt ever once in my life to prove what I am holding is mine.

I'm a big shopper. I've had receipts checked numerous times in the US.

Don't do business in the US of A then.

What's with the antagoniostic tone, bud?

I'm asking based on US law, not Guatamalen legal codes.

To have a storefront or any business incures a certain degree of risk. This is just one of those risks.

I'm asking what law prevents me from reducing these risks.

If you don't like someone though for any reason, you do have the right to refuse service to anyone. That is your only bargaining chip.

Actually, here you're very wrong. If you don't like someone and refuse to do business with them because of race creed or color, you'll be hauled into court faster than the blink of a CCTV frame.

And if you don't like it, don't do business in the US of A!








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