[Skybird]

Originally Posted by JALU3

Believe me I am not. However, that doesn't mean that it's not impossible several generations from now. That is, that we combat the radicalization of Islam by doing what brought it to this point in the first place. Educate more moderate Imams to preach a more moderate interpretation of the faith. However, with seperation of Church and State arguements . . . their will be no counter to the continued teachings of imams trained in more radical forms of that faith.

Be advised that "moderate" Muslim Erdogan just complained to the EU leaders that they talks of "moderate Islam", that this is insulting and indicates that there is another Islam beside Islam. I preach since years that a thing like moderate Islam does not exist outside Islam, that there is only Muhammad's Islam, and that "fumdamentalistic Islam" "moderate Islam" and "Islamism" are only some of the many Western self-deceptions, and invented by the West, a brainbirth of Western linguistic artists. Also be advised that Islam does not know the separation between state and religion, and never knew (Atatürk was totally hostile to Islam, he was no "moderate Muslim"). Finally please note that for example Turkey massively influences (rules all by itself) what Imams they are sending to germany - and the overwhelming majority of these do not even speak German. This goes unopposed by the German government, and thus what they are preaching cannot effectively be controlled. The Turkish government also massively interferes and intervenes in German inner-political decisions and the german education system, in final consequence demanding that Turks must not integrate, and must not talk German language, and should be left under dominance of the Turkish state. so much for integration.

Islam is a radical and violent ideology by itself. It is no answer, but the cause of the problems you are touching. Also, radicals, as you call them, are not violating, but following Muhammad's formulated will as to be found in the Quran. The peaceful, non-violant Muslim wishing not to submit Europe - is the hereticxaccording to Muhammad's will, who ruled quite clearly that it is not free choice, but an obligation to contribute your share in helping to spread islam all over the world. Missionizing is obligatory that way, which served Muhammad's interests to built his empire well, didn't it. Always see the shape of Islam through Muhammad's eyes, than you immediately see the explanation why it is what it is, and what it wants. It's power-politics and personal cult in it's purest form. Muhammad was no holy man, he was a conquerer for whom nothing was ever enough, and who did not shy awa from murder to silence his critics and used his privately founded religion as the tool to intimidate and silence his critics. It is so very easy to understand, I do not undersand how a single human in the world can still fall for this greatest fraud of all times.

The major threat to the West is no terrorism anyway, even if we get a 9/11 each year, we would adapt, we would learn to live with it, like Israel did with decades of bomb attacks. Note that I almost never talk about terrorism. I'm about the ideology. The hidden creeping of Islamic values and rules into our education system, public life, and the legislation, this is the danger, and it seems that all opposition to it is useless and gets labelled as racism and Islamophobia, and all pointing out of Islam's characteristics earns you the immediate stigma of being intolerant and extremist, and gets you attacked by the EU, and national political establishmenets as well. Even when Islamic authorities that are known (sometimes even respected) in the West in mocking frankness tell the West that they are meaning to overthrow it, that they are planning to infiltrate it, using what they call themselves the demographic bomb (in their own words!) against it and conquer it by outbreeding it, and when they do not hide at all that they are not interested to integrate and get tamed, but working for the Muslimisation of all europe - even then these arrogant zombies in the West still believe they know it better, and that they know that these guys do not mean it like they say it, and they grab for every straw that they so desperately hope will keep their infantile naive better-hoping of the world alive, and they seek their salvation in tunnel-viewed balieving that europe's example is so convincing to other people that it is able to make them becoming like europe by simple having a look in admiration and praise at this wonderful "strong" europe.

Truth is europe is nothing more than prey for Islam, and it's historical identity, in the positive namely formed by the enlightenment and the ideas of humanism, is a rotten cadaver only, not willing and not wishing to defend that set of ideas and values anymore. We are yearning for getting dominated by Islam, we already invite Islam to overtake Europe, and wave it in, and pave the way for it, and unlock all doors and gates and windows. We call it tolerance. Tolerance in Islamic understanding means monoculture, with a state of organized, obligatory discrimination for some hand-selected dhimmi-communities that totally submit to the dominance of Islam, and accept to serve as obedient vasalls of second-class citizenship. Coexisting other cultures are alraedy an offense, simply by being there and not being Islam. Since Islam narcissistically feels challenged by them simply being there, it tries to get rid of them so that it feels no longer challenged in it's self-perception. note that Muhammad after he met the jewish pharasees at Medina who demonstrated him his great intellectual deficits in what he considered to be the successful self-lecturing in Jewish religion, was so offended and angry over his inferiority that he answered the pharisees better knowledge aboiut their faith by waging war, chasing two tribes away, betrayed the third one and massacred all the 800-900 males completely, and send all girld and women into slavery, and annihilated that tribe'S culture completely. The UN since 1948 calls such an effort "genocide". - See the pattern?

Europe has no will to defend itself. If that does not chnage, it's future therefore is Islam, rightfully deserved, and it will not even have any right to complain. Nobody forced Europe to voluntarily rob in the sand like a dog. It will be no step forward, but several giant jumps backward.