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Skybird · 08-24-07, 05:42 PM

Holy scriptures... a waste of time...

Responsebility and reason - or believing and unexamining - you can't have both, and usually "being religious" leads to unknowing believers sticking their nose into other people's business and trying to make them what the first believes the latter should do. Thinking turns into heresy, not believing something unexamined deserves celestial penalty and eternal doom, and it is man-made God's will to use force and violance to deliver penalty not by His but by man's hands, so man does ultimately both: inventing the justification for violance, and carrying it out. That is the morality of those believing in scriptures, bible and quran alike. At the same time they claim that they act in the name of a God of "love" and "peace" and "freedom", while all they bring to man's world is intolerance, arrogance, lecturing, hate and violance, and of course the death penalty. Jesus set many examples why the death penalty is justified, the whole gospels are filled with his preachings on why death penalty and military invasions and being violant to defenders of a woman's principle right to abort is justified, sure the Gospel - 70 years of playing Chinese whispers, as somebody called them - are about all this!? And Muslims run around and use Sharia to justify mutilation, torturing victims of rape to death by stoning, and submit other people by the use of force. So when both obviosuly do not act according to what they preach about peace and love and freedom, at least they should stop the hypocracy and be decent enough to start preaching according to how they act. Because I find it easier to recognize a Goebbels as evil, than to tell a wolf in a sheep's clothing from a distance.

This is by Lin-Chi (Rinzai in Japanese), a man famous for his direct approach towards people, and who surely is not suspicious of wanting to have been seen as holy, or teaching something holy. If Chan ever taught anything, then that there is nothing holy and no "religiosity" worth to be taught (my imperfect translation):

The law of Buddha does not need endeavours. It consists of the ordinary life and has no goal: to sh!t and to p!ss, getting dressed, eating and sleeping when one is tired. The simple-minded may laugh about me – the wise know about it. […] My friends, I tell you: there is no Buddha, no teaching, no training, and no insight. What are you chasing for so bitterly? Do you want to put a second head on top of your own, you blind idiots? Your head is exactly where it should be. What are you missing, then?

Can't say it any more clearly.

08-24-07, 05:42 PM	#78
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Holy scriptures... a waste of time... Responsebility and reason - or believing and unexamining - you can't have both, and usually "being religious" leads to unknowing believers sticking their nose into other people's business and trying to make them what the first believes the latter should do. Thinking turns into heresy, not believing something unexamined deserves celestial penalty and eternal doom, and it is man-made God's will to use force and violance to deliver penalty not by His but by man's hands, so man does ultimately both: inventing the justification for violance, and carrying it out. That is the morality of those believing in scriptures, bible and quran alike. At the same time they claim that they act in the name of a God of "love" and "peace" and "freedom", while all they bring to man's world is intolerance, arrogance, lecturing, hate and violance, and of course the death penalty. Jesus set many examples why the death penalty is justified, the whole gospels are filled with his preachings on why death penalty and military invasions and being violant to defenders of a woman's principle right to abort is justified, sure the Gospel - 70 years of playing Chinese whispers, as somebody called them - are about all this!? And Muslims run around and use Sharia to justify mutilation, torturing victims of rape to death by stoning, and submit other people by the use of force. So when both obviosuly do not act according to what they preach about peace and love and freedom, at least they should stop the hypocracy and be decent enough to start preaching according to how they act. Because I find it easier to recognize a Goebbels as evil, than to tell a wolf in a sheep's clothing from a distance. This is by Lin-Chi (Rinzai in Japanese), a man famous for his direct approach towards people, and who surely is not suspicious of wanting to have been seen as holy, or teaching something holy. If Chan ever taught anything, then that there is nothing holy and no "religiosity" worth to be taught (my imperfect translation): The law of Buddha does not need endeavours. It consists of the ordinary life and has no goal: to sh!t and to p!ss, getting dressed, eating and sleeping when one is tired. The simple-minded may laugh about me – the wise know about it. […] My friends, I tell you: there is no Buddha, no teaching, no training, and no insight. What are you chasing for so bitterly? Do you want to put a second head on top of your own, you blind idiots? Your head is exactly where it should be. What are you missing, then? Can't say it any more clearly. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.