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CCIP · 08-23-07, 10:22 AM

I'd also like to point out that Georgia is a Christian nation surrounded by primarily Muslim peoples that really, really don't like Georgians. An exception to that is christian Armenia, but they also aren't Georgia's biggest fans. In that case Russia has always been a natural partner.

Economically also, as I said, Georgia has few friends in the region. Or anywhere. Ever see any Georgian peaches or wines on store shelves in America? I sure haven't. Russians actually appreciated these. At the same time, thousands and thousands of Georgians live and work in Russia (some illegally). Yet Russia has other sources of peaches, wine and illegal migrants...

My point is that the hostility for the Saakashvili faction to Russia makes no sense. It's like Mexico suddenly deciding to get really pissed at the US. Well, the US doesn't exactly have good economic ties with Cuba for instance, does it?

I don't think Putin wants to annex Georgia or limit their independence. In all honesty, as I said, Russia can get by just fine without Georgia. Let them go and mess themselves up. But I think it obviously puzzles everyone to see a natural partner get so overtly hostile. Especially when pretty much everyone else in the region has somehow worked it out. Armenia and Azerbaidzhan sure don't like each other and have plenty of outstanding geopolitical issues, but both have good relations with Russia nowadays, and Russian store shelves are full of Armenian wines and Azerbaidzhanian peaches.

Honestly, tell me: does Russia today need Georgia in its "empire"? Georgia can go fish, I think. I think I'm expressing most Russians' attitude, though, when I say I'm totally puzzled by how absurd and naive the Georgian position on world and regional affairs is.

And how obvious. It's clear as day (to me) they want Round 2's in the Abkhaz and Ossetian conflicts, but before that they need to discredit Russia and get the UN, Nato or even just Uncle Sam on their side. Seems they've heard about the whole "our sonovabitch" thing and decided to try out :hmm:

08-23-07, 10:22 AM	#12
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'd also like to point out that Georgia is a Christian nation surrounded by primarily Muslim peoples that really, really don't like Georgians. An exception to that is christian Armenia, but they also aren't Georgia's biggest fans. In that case Russia has always been a natural partner. Economically also, as I said, Georgia has few friends in the region. Or anywhere. Ever see any Georgian peaches or wines on store shelves in America? I sure haven't. Russians actually appreciated these. At the same time, thousands and thousands of Georgians live and work in Russia (some illegally). Yet Russia has other sources of peaches, wine and illegal migrants... My point is that the hostility for the Saakashvili faction to Russia makes no sense. It's like Mexico suddenly deciding to get really pissed at the US. Well, the US doesn't exactly have good economic ties with Cuba for instance, does it? I don't think Putin wants to annex Georgia or limit their independence. In all honesty, as I said, Russia can get by just fine without Georgia. Let them go and mess themselves up. But I think it obviously puzzles everyone to see a natural partner get so overtly hostile. Especially when pretty much everyone else in the region has somehow worked it out. Armenia and Azerbaidzhan sure don't like each other and have plenty of outstanding geopolitical issues, but both have good relations with Russia nowadays, and Russian store shelves are full of Armenian wines and Azerbaidzhanian peaches. Honestly, tell me: does Russia today need Georgia in its "empire"? Georgia can go fish, I think. I think I'm expressing most Russians' attitude, though, when I say I'm totally puzzled by how absurd and naive the Georgian position on world and regional affairs is. And how obvious. It's clear as day (to me) they want Round 2's in the Abkhaz and Ossetian conflicts, but before that they need to discredit Russia and get the UN, Nato or even just Uncle Sam on their side. Seems they've heard about the whole "our sonovabitch" thing and decided to try out :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)