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Dowly · 08-17-07, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Markov

Good day to you sirs. Let me tell you about "russian hordes" , "millions of rapes" , "Soviets murdering their own in countless tens of millions" etc and how it looks from Russia. Reading modern literature you may come to oppinion that III Reich has fallen an innocent victim of wild Russians. That it were III Reich's soldiers that were fighting for their homes and wives and peoples of CCCP were intent to kill all that lives on Earth.

While I cant really speak for those two I doubt they were trying to make the III Reich sound more innocent, rather I think they were trying to say that CCCP is far more guilty of atrocities commited than is qidely known and accepted, that is my opinion at least

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Let me tell you what my ancestors were fighting for.

On 22th of June 1941 German army came to my country when no one asked them to come. Their leaders told them that peoples of the CCCP were "untermenschen" - underhumans. Talking with Antonesku (Romanian minister) Hitler said "My aim if I can achieve it is slaughter of slavs. There should be only two races in future Europe: Arian and Latin. These two races should work in Russia to lower the quantity of slavs. We cannot apply usual justice formulas in Russia as russian question has much more danger than it appears and we should apply here colonisator's and biological measures for slaughtering slavs."
So they luckily did.
About 21 million of us died in that war. Only 8 millions of them fallen on the battlefields. Others 17 millions were the civilians in parts of our country lying to the west of Moscow. Germans killed practically all jews in Ukraine, Litua, Belorussia and in western part of Russia. Only in Kiev in 1941 they murdered about 370 thousands of them during two days in place named Babiy Yar.
My grandfather being 14-years old was taken with his family as a slave to Austria. He did not ask for that.
My another grandfather fought with fascists and died from mortar shell launched by Hitler's soldiers. Two my other ancestors were injured fighting with true agressors.
As for rapes - it sounds rather silly taking into account how many of us were killed by the Germans. And by the way nobody counted Russian women raped by German hordes. They really weren't beautifull princes on white horses.

And by the way no one German civilian were taken into CCCP to work as a slave. Only prisoners of war worked to re-build that what they destroyed. And that was just and fair.
Russian prisoners of war were used as slaves by Germans. But mostly Germans meaned them to do one thing - just die. Germans never even fed them - they had to eat rats, birds even their drops. Sometimes there were about two or three hundreds of thousands Russian prisoners of war beyond the barbed wire with no roof over their head and they were situated there for weeks dieing one by one with no food at all... But did they destroyed something in Germany before they were taken? No! Did they killed somebody's wives in Germany before they were taken? Again NO!

So please dear gentlemen think a little bit before saying something about "russian hordes".

While i feel for your familys and your loss, i acnt agree with you on the points that German prisoners of war were treated rightly, im of the opinion that they got the same treatment that soviet prisoners of war got from the germans. Both were abused, used as slave labour, tortured and killed. I guess what im geting at hes is that both commited horrible, inexcusable acts, but only one is demonized.

Exactly what I am thinking.