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Old 08-16-07, 05:34 PM   #87
Yahoshua
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If they'd have kept the 8 year old strapped inside a straight jacket until he was 18 the accident wouldn't have happened either.

There were two big parental failures here. First, the child was not educated to differentiate between a toy and a real firearm and second, the child was left unsupervised in the presence of a firearm for a considerable length of time.
Yeah, right, and back to the real world? Trigger locks serve a purpose.

Edit: Not against home defence but am for common sense.
Real world? Expecting an adult to supervise children when there are unsecured firearms and ammo laying about? I have nothing against trigger locks and other child proofing methods but nothing substitutes for proper adult supervision.

Personally if I had kids in the house and I deemed it necessary to have real quick access to a self defense weapon I would go with one of those rapid access combination gun safes like this one: http://www.gunvault.com/

If you're going to bother getting a safe, DON'T get something that is easily transportable!!

Get one of these:

http://www.libertysafe.com/safe_Franklin.lasso

As for keeping your PDW in the safe until you need it, you may as well not have it because that's about as much good as it's going to be to you.

In Law Enforcement there is a procedure called the "21 Foot Rule". The proper application of this rule relies on the officer being called to make a quickdraw from a snapped holster and make two unsighted shots to center mass of the attacker and getting out of the way before the attacker reaches you.

Here's an excerpt from the Force Science Research Center study:

The 21-Foot Rule was formulated by timing subjects beginning their headlong run from a dead stop on a flat surface offering good traction and officers standing stationary on the same plane, sidearm holstered and snapped in. The FSRC has extensively measured action and reaction times under these same conditions. Among other things, the Center has documented the time it takes officers to make 20 different actions that are common in deadly force encounters. Here are some of the relevant findings that the FSRC applied in reevaluating the 21-Foot Rule:

Once he perceives a signal to do so, the AVERAGE officer requires 1.5 seconds to draw from a snapped Level II holster and fire one unsighted round at center mass. Add 1/4 of a second for firing a second round, and another 1/10 of a second for obtaining a flash sight picture for the average officer.

The fastest officer tested required 1.31 seconds to draw from a Level II holster and get off his first unsighted round.The slowest officer tested required 2.25 seconds.

For the average officer to draw and fire an unsighted round from a snapped Level III holster, which is becoming increasingly popular in LE because of its extra security features, takes 1.7 seconds.

Meanwhile, the AVERAGE suspect with an edged weapon raised in the traditional "ice-pick" position can go from a dead stop to level, unobstructed surface offering good traction in 1.5-1.7 seconds.

The "fastest, most skillful, most powerful" subject FSRC tested "easily" covered that distance in 1.27 seconds. Intense rage, high agitation and/or the influence of stimulants may even shorten that time, Lewinski observes.

Even the slowest subject "lumbered" through this distance in just 2.5 seconds.

Bottom line: Within a 21-foot perimeter, most officers dealing with most edged-weapon suspects are at a decided - perhaps fatal - disadvantage if the suspect launches a sudden charge intent on harming them. "Certainly it is not safe to have your gun in your holster at this distance,"


I will be very impressed if you're fast enough to open a safe, load the magazine, rack the slide, and discharge two rounds into your attacker in under a second and a half.

The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.
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