[Skybird]

Originally Posted by bibi

One can look at this throught 2 different perspectives. The message of this deal is Arabs countries have the right to develop nuclear program as long as they reject military development and they work in cooperation with IAEA. And if they do that, they will receive help and not sanctions. So the Iranian posture ("the West is trying to prevent other countries from accessing nuclear energy, blablablabla") becomes invalid.

You believe the promise of a mass murderer and major criminal, then. I don't. Last year they promised this year would be a clean tour de France. and the year before. And before. The very same people today have been revealed to have carried on with the doping system until today.

Promises are cheap. Control is better. but the best is not to sow evil seed.

Let Lybians have normalized their relations with the outer world, okay - but not before they have raised in rebellion and sent their criminal and unscrupellous regime to hell. That is their responsebility, not ours.

you think Gaddafis word to cooperate is worth something? Look at the terror killing record of this regime, and look at how they evaded responsebility for being unable to manage their health system, look how hundreds got infested and many got killed by that, look how they took foreing help workers/nurses as hostage, and how they blackmailed europe with these, and then ask yourself one question - is this the kind of people I want to put my trust into and whose words I consider to be of worth, even more so when it comes to a highly critical issue like nuclear facilities? wake up, you are talking about a murder, and terrorist, and the people you want to see as separate from him - accept him, do not try to get rid of him.

And of course the usual reminder that the separation of civilian and military use of nuclear technology cannot really be taken as serious. If Lybia gets this reactor, it will export the knowledge, and later the technology. And what the IAEA reports about that will have to say once it has started, will be little importance then. Facts weigh heavier than deeds. Of course, nobody then will have known it in advance, nobody will be responsible, and France will battle against sanctions or other measurements to protect it's fincial investement in Lybia.

IAEA inspectors also make formidable hostages, btw - like nurses.

You get judged by the company you seek, and by the people with whom you surround yourself. If you seek close ties with people like Gaddafi, the assessment of yourself will be accordingly. Fly with the crows, get shot with the crows.

Concerning the Rafaels, arms trading always is trading of weapons, and no "funding of further developements". Trading military goods and wapons I always consider not only to be totally immoral, but a huge mistake. You do not give somebody else the knife that eventually lands between your ribs, or kills other people you do not knopw and have no quarrel with. That is no Realpolitik, that is simply silly. And it has caused the world a whole heap of troubles and wars and mass killings and support of dictatorships and tribal wars and ethnic cleansings and the whole bloody mess you see in places like Africa. that are Russian, Chinese, european and american weapons people in Darfhur get slaughtered with.