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BarjackU977 · 07-19-07, 04:12 AM

I am not sure one has said that business is al evil. But I may have missed the post saying that, as I didn't read all the lines in all the posts. However, I'm sure that several pointed drawbacks of current trends in businesses, which are simply due to the system we live in: capitalism. But several of us also said that it does not only have drawbacks, and it's even is the best system we currently have.

Same for the remark about governments: who said that government is the source of all good stuff?

I think it makes very good sense to say that governments (i.e. those who vote laws, actually) to give reasonable protections to consumers through laws. They're the ones paid to do that. Not everyone on earth is smart enough to protect himself by his only own means (some even need to be protected against themseves!). And in some cases, that would not be even possible, because the balance of powers is... not balanced at all. What can you do, alone, against a big company with huge money means?

And like you said (which is also like Uber Gruber and I said), governments are not only made of idealistic saints without any interests, so it is also necessary to control them.

I agree with Uber Gruber about idenpendant comissions: that's the best we can get. I'm just worried about the funding of those comissions: who shall decide on their funding, on how much money must be put? The government?? The comissions themselves?

And regarding media, I agree it's a good way of control too, but almost all media are somewhat politically engaged. If you compare news from well know media around the world, the way they present the same topic can be very different, and that influence the local public opinion. It's why it can be very easy to drive a country opinion in one direction. In my country, I observed very concrete examples. Ideally, we should compare several sources, and make our own mind. But we don't have enough time, as we already have so many things to do in everyday life. Ideally, we'd have to do so many more things that we can't have the time to do. This is also a reason why we need independant groups to represent and protect ourselves, as citizens, as consumers, as workers....

07-19-07, 04:12 AM	#152
BarjackU977 Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 97 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I am not sure one has said that business is al evil. But I may have missed the post saying that, as I didn't read all the lines in all the posts. However, I'm sure that several pointed drawbacks of current trends in businesses, which are simply due to the system we live in: capitalism. But several of us also said that it does not only have drawbacks, and it's even is the best system we currently have. Same for the remark about governments: who said that government is the source of all good stuff? I think it makes very good sense to say that governments (i.e. those who vote laws, actually) to give reasonable protections to consumers through laws. They're the ones paid to do that. Not everyone on earth is smart enough to protect himself by his only own means (some even need to be protected against themseves!). And in some cases, that would not be even possible, because the balance of powers is... not balanced at all. What can you do, alone, against a big company with huge money means? And like you said (which is also like Uber Gruber and I said), governments are not only made of idealistic saints without any interests, so it is also necessary to control them. I agree with Uber Gruber about idenpendant comissions: that's the best we can get. I'm just worried about the funding of those comissions: who shall decide on their funding, on how much money must be put? The government?? The comissions themselves? And regarding media, I agree it's a good way of control too, but almost all media are somewhat politically engaged. If you compare news from well know media around the world, the way they present the same topic can be very different, and that influence the local public opinion. It's why it can be very easy to drive a country opinion in one direction. In my country, I observed very concrete examples. Ideally, we should compare several sources, and make our own mind. But we don't have enough time, as we already have so many things to do in everyday life. Ideally, we'd have to do so many more things that we can't have the time to do. This is also a reason why we need independant groups to represent and protect ourselves, as citizens, as consumers, as workers....