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Originally Posted by August
Susan McDougal was pardoned in return for her silence about the details of the ClintonS (as in plural) involvement in the Whitewater scandal. She was exactly the same type of sacrifical lamb that you claim Libby to be and a direct comparison to the Ismaels original statment.
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Thats not entirely true. For one she was convicted in 1996 and pardoned in 2001. Libby was convicted last week and commuted... how many days was it? I think 5 years and less time than it takes to get transferred to prison after a sentense is just a touch different. And the other thing is loan fraud and a breach of national security sit in two very different worlds of severity. Its especially bad in a time when the executive is calling for more broad actions against freedom to protect said freedom and is acting in ways that don't conform to its own policy... or maybe they really do.
But you're right that it was a shady deal. But what I can't figure out is how you seem to be arguing two mutually exclusive points. Either the president can do what he wants with his constitutional rights, ie. commuting Libby's sentense, or its a sick miscarriage of the public good that he does whatever he likes with it, ie. Clinton pardoning McDougal.
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Now you seem to have some kind of axe to grind against us with your repeated mention of various transgressions, like our subs travelling to close to your shores and the, what did you call it?, "treasonous"?, complicity of your government in cooperating with ours. Maybe instead of worrying about who our Presidents pardon for crimes that have nothing to do with your country, you ought to concentrate on your own politicans.
I PROMISE that if you do you won't hear a peep out of me about it. Your business is your own.
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I certainly do have a problem with the US, but those issues were brought up in our little detour into the merits of me having an opinion about your country. And I don't see why you need to be so defensive about us misguided non-Americans. Its not as if the ideas of the winner of the arguments on this forum are binding on the US. No, you're telling me to go away because you think I'm wrong and not relavent. I do have my own gripes with my politicians and I'd be happy to talk about them if not for one thing: how many threads on this board about Canada actualy survive past 3 posts? Theres also the fact that America is both important and interesting and while the borders are there our shared interest in the happenings there are very much relavent to the rest of the world. Even the domestic things, because believe it or not influence is both direct and passive in the world. What happens one place can set a precedent and bleed into another. But I'm already playing your game and trying to justify my right just to answer a thread about the US. The fact is I have an opinion, you have an opinion, we disagree alot, and so the hell what? You don't want to answer it then don't. Do what Skybird does with WG. Otherwise just use your vastly superior position as a true blooded American to proove me wrong in my understanding of your country.