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Originally Posted by Skybird

We made those movies already ourself. we do not need Hollywood for that. Or scientology.

2004: "Aufstand des Gewissens" (hailed as being the most precise movie about the man so far, with excellent actors, it won some film award)

1990 "Stauffenberg - Verschwörung gegen Hitler"

1955 "Der 20. Juli"

And many different docufilms.

And before you fall on your knees and pray for his sould for the rest of the night - did you know that the Graf wanted to make sure that the Third Reich and it'S governmental system prevails, and would negotiate a cease-firing with the Allies after Hitler's death - on same eye level, resulting in not capitulating, but in a draw? Just recent historical analysis and research in newly avaiolable sources, as was first documented in a german Tv docu some months ago, reveleaed that the nature of Stauffenberg and his motivation must be seen in a more differentiated, and less blindly heroic light. He was more loyal to the system than most easily assume at first glance.

Hey Skybird.

Did you read the new Gunter Grass book "Crabwalk"? It's about the repercussions of the Germans not being able to openly talk about their past, and not being able to grieve for the misfortunes that they experienced during the War.