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The real question. Based on the arcticles I've seen from the German media is; why does Germany want to make all other EU nations weeker politically than Germany.
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I called the EU negotiations a basaar, right? 
BTW, what would be wrong with representing demographic facts (sizes of people) in voting powers? Consider this: Poland fires salvos of hate-attacks every couple of years, sometimes even months, at Germany. We all are still Nazis, and we try to murder them in their beds, yoh know. But they happily accept Eu fundinds and aids equal to Germany EU-payments alone (Germany the biggest financial contributor of the EU, shouldering one fourth of it's fiances). Roughly counted, there are twice as many germans, than there are Poles. So Germany contributes much more money, has much greater population - and should be have almost equal political influence in Brussels only? Germany made very far-leading compromises toweards the Poles, and concessions over the last years, again and again and again. It always is answered with even more hate-tirades, and acusation of still driving a Nazi agenda.
And siocne some of you havent red the commend, it seems, I quote it in the following again:
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Poland's vote pleading is sheer hypocrisy
Anne Karpf
Saturday June 23, 2007
The Guardian
It was one of those "you couldn't make it up" days. Poland was demanding more votes in the running of the EU on the grounds that, if Germany hadn't murdered 6 million Poles, then the population would be almost double what it is today. One thing is clear: Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Poland's ultra nationalist president and prime minister respectively, have blasted "Don't mention the war" to smithereens.
Of course, it's quite understandable if Poland is still mourning its war dead, yet you can't help thinking: the nerve of those boys. Isn't there - how shall I put this Euro-politely? - a dash of audacity here? Hypocrisy even? Let's remember those 6 million dead: half of them were Jews - and the Polish record on Jews is just a mite troublesome. Those Polish Jews weren't exactly living in clover before the war, when the numerus clausus (Jewish quota) restricted their access to the professions. And when they were carted off to the camps, most of their Polish neighbours were at best indifferent, and at worst grateful.
Polish nationalism had long been nourished by anti-semitism. Although there were many Poles who exposed themselves to huge risk by hiding Jews, my own mother's experience - denounced to the Nazis by a Polish Catholic - was common, perhaps even typical.
And now the Kaczynskis are trying to airbrush away every last speck of Polish complicity in the name of more EU votes! Those same Kaczynskis who are so fervently supported by Radio Maryja, widely criticised as chief purveyor of virulent anti-semitism in Poland today. Those same Kaczynskis who are governing Poland with a coalition including the radical right League of Polish Families, as homophobic as it is anti-semitic.
One can't help but be reminded of the joke about the chap who killed both his parents and then demanded leniency from the judge because he was an orphan. In among all the web discussion about this story today, one wag proposed a compromise: give Poland the extra votes and move its boundary back to its 1938 location.
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The lady is right.
And the conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote this, and is 100% right, as I see it:
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Die Kaczynski-Brüder sehen sich nicht an frühere polnische Zusagen gebunden, und sie verfolgen unverhohlen das Ziel, Deutschland in der Union zu isolieren und zu diskreditieren. Das wird noch nicht einmal verblümt, im Gegenteil: Für jedermann wurde sichtbar, dass diese Politik gar keine weiteren Ziele verfolgt, sondern sich in diesem anachronistischen Selbstzweck erschöpft. Allenfalls die Zahlungen der Union, die ziemlich dem deutschen Beitrag entsprechen, streicht Polen gern ein, sonstige ausgezeichnete Dienste, die Deutschland freimütig geleistet hat, werden ungnädig in Anspruch genommen. Warschau sieht sich ohnehin als Deutschlands moralischen Gläubiger und die deutsche Schuld als nicht wiedergutzumachend, also praktischerweise untilgbar an.
Dass Lech Kaczynski sich auf dem Gipfel durchgesetzt zu haben glaubt, muss keine Fehleinschätzung sein. Auf Sicht hat nämlich auch Polen sich freie Hand bewahrt, seine destruktive Politik in der Union fortzusetzen - und es kann auch die Einführung des nun auf 2014, wenn nicht 2017 verschobenen Abstimmungsverfahrens der „doppelten Mehrheit“ immer noch scheitern lassen. Mit Todesdrohungen, für welche mathematischen Operationen auch immer, ist in der EU zwar auf Dauer keine Politik zu machen. Aber Verantwortungsgefühl und Konstruktivität lassen sich nicht erzwingen.
Es ist der Dämon einer anderen, vergangen geglaubten Zeit, dessen giftiger Atem da plötzlich durch die Glaspaläste des modernen Europa streicht. Und man muss sich - leider - die Frage stellen, ob die polnische Neurose nicht mehr ist als nur ein Problem der EU, nämlich ein Problem Europas. Polen hat viel gelitten, das bringt, wie früher einmal auch für Deutschland, die Versuchung mit, sich in einen Opfermythos einzuspinnen, der die Handlungsspielräume friedfertiger Politik verengt und am Ende gar eingebildete Feinde zu echten machen kann.
Gewiss muss man sich vor kollektiven Zuschreibungen hüten: Das junge, auf Westen und Wohlstand gerichtete Polen träumt die düsteren Träume, fühlt die Phantomschmerzen der Kaczynskis nicht mit. Aber die Politik der Polarisierung zieht die Menschen immer in ihren Bann - umso mehr, wenn die Zanklust sich, wie eben doch am Ende in Brüssel, als erfolgreich erweist.
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub99C3EECA60D8...~Scontent.html
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The Poles don't trust the Germans. Nor do they have any reason to trust them. The Brits don't trust you either and I think we all know about the French.
How about a one country one vote system for the EU. That way no one feels slighted and no country can impose its will on any other country. Concensus building will be the name of the game. I thought all of Europe was for concensus.
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