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06-21-07, 03:49 PM

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Thanks Hitman. But don't European nations also have states/provinces/cantons/autonomous communities etc? Just seems like an extra umbrella gov't which is unnecessary and allows one set of countries to be in charge of another set. /QUOTE]

Well, yes, and so do the USA have counties below the states ... lower administrative divisions are also necessary:hmm: . But yes, europe carries to the Union the sudivisions of the states and that is too much

You dientified very correctly on of the main problems: Excess bureaucracy. Unfortunately the enormous amount of ethnic/cultural groups favours this inmesely, specially in nations that have other nation-alikes inside (Even with different language), like us in Spain:

Currently we have these administrative divisions, from closer to farther away from the citizen (And all financed by our taxes

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-The local administration (The "Major" house in english?)
-The Province
-The Autonomic Community (More or less like a State of the USA)
-The State (Spain)
-The EU

Almost to turn anyone mad....

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Seems to be an attempt to remove the governed from the process of government. Which ain't very democratic. I may have to side with the Poles and Brits on this one

Sure...anything that puts the centres of decissions and power at a higher distance from the citizen is bad

I personally don't like the EU as it is currently focused. I would prefer just a economic union, but no attempt to have a common military politic or such. Because it tends tend up like the UN, as too many different interests collide and in the end nobody wants to clean the house.

Sonds like we are in agreement on the most basic issue Hitman. That is, if I interpret you correctly, the government eliminating the will of the governed is not democracy. Like I stated earlier as a free trade zone the EU is top notch. All the citizens enjoy its fruits.

Why doesn't the populace rise up and demand democratic responsibility from their elected officials? In the US we have this type of thing going on with an immigration bill. For the last two weeks I have called my elected representative and called for its defeat. I am very angry that they still plan to shove it down our throats.