[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Nightmare

Exactly! And the "Plead your case for a patch" was a new low for software/gaming development.

Back to topic: I agree with everything the OT said. I'd also like to add that the American TDC was done very well. The improved TC is a great improvement as well.

This is from an old post by me, but it seems it needs repeating...

If you read the various posts by UbiSoft community managers nowhere does it state that people had to beg for anything What it said was that the people who make the financial decisions had to be convinced that a 3rd patch was required.

Now how could this be? How could they not know?

Well, given the level of irresponsible, jeuvenile comments that flooded the UbiSoft site (and here) post 1.0 release it was almost impossible to sort out what was a real bug, what was someone expecting it to be the same as Sh3, what was someone whinning because they didn't get the feature they wanted and what was a minor issue that could easily be modded by the community. Several of us here at Subsim worked for days to sort out a real bug list for the developers for 1.2 and believe me, it wasn't easy sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

PLUS...

If you go to the bug list that was prepared from the posts by this community pre 1.2 you will find that almost all of the issues that were so vitally important back then were indeed addressed by 1.2

So given the above it is completely understanable that, if your responsibility is the bottom line, then you might truly wonder if 1.3 is really necessary. But instead of just saying "That's it... shut 'er down", Ubisoft comes back to the community with 2 requests...

1) Convince us that there are real problems that need to be fixed and...

2) Give us a list of the top 10 remaining issues.

But insead of embracing this as an opportunity to really fix this game once and for all, the "community" does exactly what it always does... it went APE***T.

Boycottts, threats of lawsuits, stupid immature polls, name calling... all of the foolishness that caused UbiSoft to question whether 1.3 was really needed in the first place.

If it wasn't for Neal's efforts here and a few people on the UbiSoft site, I doubt that we would have seen a 1.3

So let's can the "made us beg" nonsense, and recognize that UbiSoft did exactly what we all want them to do... interact with the community, listen to the community and respond to our requests.

JCC