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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
AMRAAM's would have missed as well. IIRC the Foxbat was balls to the wall away from the Tomcats. Even modern long range missiles don't have that kind of endurance to keep up with a max e-pole target. And they learned that from the Iran Iraq War. See F-14 on RWR, go other way on burner.
PD
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I'd have to disagree with you that balls to the wall on the MiG-25 had anything to do with it. The Pheonix missed long before its 100 nm range and we all know the MiG-25 is not a real turner, and defintely can't do it without bleeding major speed. That thing is a straight line aircraft. The second pheonix was fired at 40 nm when it became clear the first one missed. Even the Phoenix should have full power available at 40 nm and the rocket motor should still be functioning properly. Basically the MiG-25 outmanuvered it.
Basically, a crappy poor manuverbility MiG-25 (The same aircraft in the same engagement no less) defeated a million $ missile. Not once, but twice. Nice.
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The MiG-25 was the fastest combat aircraft on the planet still in service until the F-22 IIRC. It dragged the missiles in burner, which is REALLY effective. Maneuverability had nothing to do with it, it's pure kinematics. It's how I beat most ARH shots in the modern flight sims I play.
I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
PD