I found Victoria quite diffcult to get to grips with but very, very rewarding once I had. I'm still waiting to see if the ancient Rome mod for it ever gets finished. If it did it would be pretty close to being my ultimate grand strat game.
Hoi2: Doomsday is one of my top three games ever. I've played it probably more than any other game I own.
CCIP is right about the save game export, though. In theory you could start a game with crusader Kings, export the save to EU, then to Vicky and finally to Hoi2. Take a long, long, long time, though.
I love Rome Total war (can't get into MTW2, though,) but as a history nut the overall arcadey feel does me in eventually.
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