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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II
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Originally Posted by fatty
Maybe they weren't all nazis, but they weren't many Marco Ramiuses either. Did any u-boats actually defect before 1945? Anyway, if taking part in the above bothers you, that is okay. It doesn't bother me - submarines are too cool.
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Somehow, I don't think most of them were helping Hitler. They were probably more interested in helping Germany. By your logic, any American who currently feels the occupation of Iraq is wrong should run and help the Iraqi insurgents.
And I don't get why you like Marko Ramius. Sure, the death of his wife was very tragic, but let's face it, if an American Captain lost his wife to incompetence in the American government's health system and the Captain decided to take revenge on the "American State" by taking his Ohio to Russia as a result, Tom Clancy would be blasting him right alongside everyone else.
Marko Ramius is not punishing the Soviet State so much as he's punishing all of the Soviet Union's people for his one wife's death. It is not noble. It is sick. |
Hi sir, thanks for your reply. Firstly I think you read into my Ramius analogy a bit too much. The point I was attempting to make is that while I appreciate that most u-boat commanders were nazis, they were not popping their hatches and surrendering/defecting - as Ramius did. Even if the commanders were interested in helping Germany and not Hitler, they're embarked on an
offensive war - their objective is not (at least, not until ~1944) the defence of the Fatherland, but to choke out shipping to England to resume an aggressive expansion across Europe.
For the America-Iraq example, I think if the U.S. was systematically destroying entire cultures then the logic would follow that you should join the insurgents or at the very least not participate in combat operations. But they aren't, so it's a little different.