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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Such minds could live in Islam, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/wo...gewanted=print
I certainly do not soften my unforgiving stand on Islam, and I would like to talk with this man about why he still wants to be seen as Muslim, when he finds it to be so troublesome - Sufism never was accepted by the main branch of Muhammad's Islam, and even often was supressed or even persecuted, nevertheless stories like this add some needed "reason-over-emotion". For people like this man - and for critics like me as well.
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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115794 
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you mean the msn article, I assume.
that article said something like "oputting blue water between Muslims and Islamists. As I often have argued, that difference is a Wetsern invention, born duringa Maroc uprise aguinst the imperial powers, and called those muslims suddenly using force "fundamentlaists", while they had been used to be challenged in words only before. the quran fully back and supports the use of force and violence, not only in self-defense, but also to enforce islam onto the "house of war". So, I see that difference we ioften make between islam on the one hand, and extremists, fundamentalists, islamists on the other, as pointless. The moderate Muslim is who violates the rules of Muhammed - not the violeant one!

Sol why the heck does he still insist on being seen as a loyal follwer of muhammad? We do ourselves no good service if we allow muslim to avoid and manouver around this contradiction in their thinking forever. we must confront them with this cotradiction, and demand that they make a choice if they want to live here. Allowing them not to do so is wrong and a dangerous misconception of "tolerance".