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Originally Posted by Letum
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Jazz is just that, music.
Jazz is not anywhere near as influential as television.
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Then you are not aware of the influence these people project in the political and Christian right in the US. 2005 Bush agreed in public that their views should become part of official teaching in public schools. In Kansas, so says wikipedia, their views are taught in schools in fact, which lead to two major science associations withdrawing all their support in material and personnel from assisting public schools (which probably is exactly what creationists hoped to achieve). The American Civil Liberties Union commented on a law case they had over there, saying that they support the ruling from that case that teaching creationism in schools is violating the constitution. There were also a number of scandals concerning schools where creationists tried to enforce the teaching of their views even against valid laws and court rulings.
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Laut einer Umfrage Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (2005) glauben etwa 26 Prozent der US-Bevölkerung, dass sich das Leben über Jahrmillionen durch natürliche Auslese entwickelt habe. Dass ein höheres Wesen die Entwicklung der Lebewesen gesteuert hat, stimmen 18 Prozent zu. Während insgesamt 48 Prozent an eine Entwicklung der Lebewesen glauben, sind 42 Prozent der Ansicht, dass „die Lebewesen seit Anbeginn der Zeit in ihrer heutigen Form existierten“. Außerdem befürwortet die Mehrheit der US-Amerikaner, dass in den Schulen beides nebeneinander gelehrt werden soll.[6]
Insbesondere die Faktoren Alter und Ausbildung bestimmen dabei die Einstellung der US-Amerikaner. So akzeptieren von den College-Absolventen etwa 40 Prozent die natürliche Auslese im Gegensatz zu 18 Prozent bei den Amerikanern ohne College-Ausbildung. Die Hälfte der Amerikaner mit einem Alter über 65 akzeptiert den Kreationismus, verglichen mit 37 Prozent bei den unter 30-Jährigen.
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This quote again is from wikipedia, saying that only 26% of Americans believe in evolutionary selection over millions of years, 18% believe in some superior entity having influenced it, 42% believe that all lifeforms have been created by someone and have exiosted in their current state since since all of time. It also says that 40% of those who finished high school, prefer the evolution theory, while amongst those not having been at high school only 18% are agreeing on evolution theory. Half of those older than 65 years, and 38% of those under the age of 30 accept creationism. - All in all this is an example that the best weapon against religiously motivated narrow-mindedness or even fanaticism is - education. That's why religious education in so many cases tries to prevent their children from being educated properly, and isolate them from everything that is not written in their holy books. such people having access to enormous financial and economical resources, even military and nuclear options, is a perspective I do not live well with.
to make it clear, I do not attack a community that is peaceful, does not mistreat or abuse it's members and children, and does not run an agenda to take over a state, a nation, foreign cultures, and does not push it's ideas by propaganda, intrigues or violence. I do not know much about them (only what was said in that famous movie, "Witness"), but the Amish for example seem to be such a group. If they are like they were depicted in that movie - no problem for me. I may be wrong, I really don't know much more about them than what the movie said. But creationists as well - and even far more aggressive - scientologists are something different. I have identified them as a thread and for that reason consider them a valid target. I attack them wherever they stroll over my way. Aggressive sectarian missionaries occasionally appeared and still appear on my doorstep. when I do not play games with them and trap them with their own rhetorical cheats and tricks (after all I got some solid training in talking techniques, body language and hypno-therapy
), I kick them out. I am co-owner of the property and house I live in, so I have the right to speak out a sending-off as well as an unlimited prohibition of entering our place again (they aren't invited by anyone here, so they cannot claim a right for public access).
Thankfully, there are also signs of reason:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/28/na...9143a6&ei=5070
In past years, their were several scandals and incidents where creationists tried to push their agenda in schools. American medias often took and take nationwide notice of it.
With economy and ecology mounting increasing problems in the foreseeable future, and by that raising existential fears amongst people, I expect political as well as religious extremism growing. The consequences from that will be felt on a global, international, intercultural level.
Damn - I ruined the fun-fun-fun-party again...
