[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Spectre-63

On this topic, I'll just say this: there comes a point where dredging up the same faults in a game becomes counter-productive. I know I've been guilty of belaboring a point to this extent in the past (most notably with a couple of flight sims that readers from FrugalsWorld may be familiar with), so I'm no better than those who are doing so here and now. I can see now that continuing to beat the dead horse does wind up affecting the overall tone and attractiveness of a forum, especially to the developers who choose to frequent the forums. How likely would you be to continue to hang out in a place where the majority of the posts were ones that were condemning a project you'd spent a year or two working on? Does squaring off in the typical "fanboy" vs "troll" argument really help things?

Don't get me wrong: bugs absolutely should be brought to the attention of the developers and there are a few threads here designed around that purpose. Continuing to spout how the product is "crap" or "a waste of time/money" or "screwed up" does nothing to add to the forum and makes me seriously rethink my decision to spend time here. I believe that the Moderators are responsible not only for enforcing the rules of the forum, but for ensuring it remains an attractive place to it's target audience. If that means that a few threads need to be closed to get the point across, so be it.

I know that on other forums continuing to bring up a topic that has been closed for discussion by a moderator is sufficient cause to give the member a short leave of absence. If things continue along the same lines here, it may not be a bad idea for the moderation staff to consider.

My two cents as a long time reader/short time member.

2 cents well spent. Agreed 100%.

It's really sad: all these negative posts really have made me less eager to come and see the latest news on SH4. Knowing that I'll have to wade thru several "SH4 is tEh SUCK!" posts really doesn't get me hot 'n' bothered for a visit.

Hoping the mods'll slap some folks around and get it back to the way it was when I first joined: helpful and friendly.

Less eager and less enjoyable. Many forums I do not participate in because of the negativity that is constant. Many forums with members who look for a misguided idea by posters so the beatings can begin. Been there and done that. Tired of the brow beatings. Talk about emotionally drained after a statement is misconstrued. Instead of a response of 'your incorrect on this because', the poster get a 16 page dissertation on why he is a dope and really should consider basket weaving as a career. Constant negativity breeds negativity.

There are attempts to bring threads back to topic and a lot usually get side tracked and more so with negativity. This forum is for helping, contributing good content and friendship. It is not a anger therapy management group for members having a bad day or bad game experience.

But there is also a section on both sides who continue to boil the whole thing down to the 'Fanboy' vs 'Troll' argument and while no-one wants that, there is a huge shortfall in how this whole issue has been handled by the Moderators.

I do not understand why there sides being taken. This is not a game of team against team. A "TROLL" to me is a poster that runs down the list of threads and posts negatively on every one of them, sits back and waits for responses that he/she can expound on with more negativity and flaming. This is were the threads get side tracked and becomes utterly useless. This is were members, new and old, start to find this forum emotionally draining, less friendly and not a place he wants to visit. We want supporters of simulations, either sub or otherwise, to visit and stay at Subsim. Not because Subsim gets a dollar for every new member, because everyone has something to contribute that is positive and I look forward to reading it. I do not look forward to reading post after post of negativity and specifically from the same forum member. Again, this is not elementry school and little Timmy is having issues so it is ok for him to act out against others...not to worry, the counselors(moderators) will correct him. When the moderator does correct(repeatedly), the moderator is some sort of fruitcake. Furthermore, when I personally see members respond to the trollers such as "we know we have heard this from you 1000 times", "that inflammatory comment does not help my inquiry", etc. this troller is now bothering members and becoming a nuisance to this forum member. Just like life, if a neighbor is doing something in your community that is bothersome to other community members. The members talk to this individual. If there is no change and something legally can be done, the community as a whole will contact the authorities. This individual in the community creating the problem may not agree with the local laws and complain about the authorities but eventually he will have to comply because the rule states he must or consequences are to follow. Here at Subsim, we are a community, we have rules and trolling(bothering other members) will get a response from moderators(I wish I had a shiny badge). This forum is not different. You would not put up with you neighbor throwing his trash in your yard. Is there a reason we need to put up with a members trash being thrown in this communities yard?

there is a huge shortfall in how this whole issue has been handled by the Moderators.

Well, sir, any suggestion on overcoming the 'shortfall'? How would you handle it?