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Ishmael · 04-26-07, 07:16 PM

I found this little strip amusing four years later. But then "This Modern World" is one of my favorites. It's called,"What They Really Said"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-to...d_b_46907.html

Regarding intelligence failures:

Look at this BBC Documentary called "The Power Of Nightmares" for more info:

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmaresDVD

We know that PNAC called for a US invasion of Iraq in 1994. We know that most of the PNAC members obtained positions in the White House & Defense Dept. policymaking branches , including the Pentagon Office of Special Plans.

We know from Richard Clarke that the Bush transition team didn't want to hear briefings about Al Qaeda, only Iraq in late 2000.

We know from one of the few records released from Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings was a map of Iraqi oil fields.

We know from the Downing Street Memos that the intelligence on Iraq was being fixed around the policy.

We know that the intelligence services determined the Niger memo was a fake as did Joe Wilson who was sent there as a result of a direct request from the Vice-President's office not, as widely propogated in the Right Wing press & blogosphere, by his wife.

We know that, as a result of Joe Wilson's report and later op-ed, his wife, a covert intelligence operative was compromised by the Bush Admin. to marginalize him befroe the war.

We know that Valerie Wilson's front company, Brewster-Jennings which had spent 15 years constructing a human intelligence network in the Mideast to track WMDs & various governments & groups efforts to obtain them including Al-Qaeda, Iraq & Iran, was neutralized in a matter of hours and putting who knows how many lives in jeopardy.

An interesting side note in the Niger memos. Wayne Madsen has found links between the forgery, a burglary of the Niger Embassy where the only things taken were official stationary and a government seal, SISME the Italian Itelligence Service & Michael Ledeen of the aforementioned Office of Special Plans.

So my question to my conservative friends still stands. After all of the demonstrable lies, falsehoods, misjudgements & incompetence of these guys, how can you believe anything they say?

04-26-07, 07:16 PM	#7
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	I found this little strip amusing four years later. But then "This Modern World" is one of my favorites. It's called,"What They Really Said" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-to...d_b_46907.html Regarding intelligence failures: Look at this BBC Documentary called "The Power Of Nightmares" for more info: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmaresDVD We know that PNAC called for a US invasion of Iraq in 1994. We know that most of the PNAC members obtained positions in the White House & Defense Dept. policymaking branches , including the Pentagon Office of Special Plans. We know from Richard Clarke that the Bush transition team didn't want to hear briefings about Al Qaeda, only Iraq in late 2000. We know from one of the few records released from Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings was a map of Iraqi oil fields. We know from the Downing Street Memos that the intelligence on Iraq was being fixed around the policy. We know that the intelligence services determined the Niger memo was a fake as did Joe Wilson who was sent there as a result of a direct request from the Vice-President's office not, as widely propogated in the Right Wing press & blogosphere, by his wife. We know that, as a result of Joe Wilson's report and later op-ed, his wife, a covert intelligence operative was compromised by the Bush Admin. to marginalize him befroe the war. We know that Valerie Wilson's front company, Brewster-Jennings which had spent 15 years constructing a human intelligence network in the Mideast to track WMDs & various governments & groups efforts to obtain them including Al-Qaeda, Iraq & Iran, was neutralized in a matter of hours and putting who knows how many lives in jeopardy. An interesting side note in the Niger memos. Wayne Madsen has found links between the forgery, a burglary of the Niger Embassy where the only things taken were official stationary and a government seal, SISME the Italian Itelligence Service & Michael Ledeen of the aforementioned Office of Special Plans. So my question to my conservative friends still stands. After all of the demonstrable lies, falsehoods, misjudgements & incompetence of these guys, how can you believe anything they say?