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Originally Posted by U-533
I think they promote lying to Infidels in oder to kill Infidels.
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Eh... let's not forget that not everybody living in the West labeling himself as "Muslim" is a man-eating monster. As a whole community, movement, cultural influence, however you name it, they are lying to us infidels, yes. But there are also many individuals (not collectives) who are serious when confessing they want to adopt to Western laws and constitutions and values. but they keep on lying to themselves about what it means to be muslim, they talk it sweet in their own imgination, and censor input of facts from science and history that could shaken their self-perception. They want - for whatever the reason is - still being regarded as something that by their deeds and decisions they alraedy partially have abandoned. These are Muslims that I call non-true Muslims. not with all, but with many of these you can come along. I did.
But a person that is truly Muslim in Muhammad's understanding - such a person is a problem for everybody - nobody's friend, all world's enemy. Such a person cannot be integrated, cannot be tamed, cannot be changed or civilised or educated. Hate, intolerance, arrogance and aggressiveness is following in his wake. Fight for survival in many obvious and not-so-obvious forms flames up wherever such people appear. - You keep them away, or you kill them, else you loose your house, your home, your identity, your culture - everything.
Concerning the first group, those that I call untrue Muslims, it nevertheless is to be demanded from them that they stop their self-ordered blindness, critically check and examione their "belief" from an outside perspective, and stand up against those who in the name of Islam claim special rights and growing influence of Islam in the West. If they do not do this, their integration fails as well, but for different reasons, and they help to propagate and support evil although having good intentions - that nevertheless do not reach far enough to stand up and make a difference. the passive silence you face when demanding etsern Muslims to raise and "make the difference" is tell-taling. And then it is the time when I say they should leave as well, sorry. You either play in our team, and our kind of game, and according to our rules, or you don't. You fit in, or you don't.
Never mistake immigration with colonization.
This European immigration problem does not compare to the immigration problems america has. Because america may be stormed by immigrants from the south as well, nevertheless these are of no different cultural origin and faith. Middle and South Americans are - Christians, and they are not about replacing laws and constitutions with the rules of some exotic and hyper-aggressive cult that aims for world domination and is totalitarian by nature.