[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Waste Gate, you're correct as far as restricting the government from restricting the people and restricting the government from "bestowing" rights.

But the Bill of Rights does in fact guarantee individual rights to the citizens.


If we are ready to violate the Constitution, will the people submit to our unauthorized acts? Sir, they ought not to submit; they would deserve the chains that our measures are forging for them, if they did not resist.
— Edward Livingston

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
— Tench Coxe, 1788.


And might I point out that in the Militia act of 1792 dictated that ALL white citizens were to have and posess arms and be ready for active duty when called upon.

.....every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of power and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and power-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a power of power; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service....

Source: http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

Reading the Federalist papers is also a good idea:

http://www.foundingfathers.info/fede...apers/fedi.htm


As for being outdated Mickey:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/jfp5ch01.htm


And I should remind you of British history also, in regards to the Magna Carta and the right of Habeus Corpus.

Should you now claim that since the Magna Carta is "outdated" that you and all other English citizens must therefore forfeit the right os Habeus Corpus? Or of the right to freely exercise ones' religion? (In this case the Church of England to freely exercise their beliefs).

That the seizure of land is only to be exercised when the debt in question is extreme and that widows shouldn't be required to pay off inhereted debts or loans? What makes you think such things are "antiquated" or "outdated?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_C...of_Magna_Carta

stop deflecting the arguement the right of free religious belifs is nothing compared to the right to bare arms and we have no where near the history of massacres that you have i agree its not just the guns its also your way of life that is a threat but you had loads of guns avalible to the police involved that dint stop the individual killing 30 people did it your comparing what happened yesterday to land siezures get a grip will you thats a big insult to 30 plus grieving families