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Originally Posted by P_Funk

I hate the assersion. Such bollocks in its own right. The US is the big fan of pre-emptive war these days anyway.

It's a fact, not an assertion. Bringing in Bush's war-of-choice has no bearing on WWII.

We embargoed scrap iron, yes. We did that after Japan had been, shall we say, naughty, since the mid-30s in China--little place called Nanking for an example. And they were making loud noises toward the rest of east Asia. We were isolationist, yes, after being burned soundly by our Euro friends in 1917-1919. Stupidly isolationist, but that we were.

War is a brutal nasty affair, and to say the US is some big victim in a brutal uncalled for attack is like saying that Europe was taken by surprise when Hitler invaded Poland.

The two are not congruent at all. Europe created Hitler with the Treaty of Versailles and watched him spread for years. We had no indication Japan was going to attack before a declaration of war. None. Nations simply didn't behave that way.
It wasn't the attack that enraged America so much as the surprise. A matter of a few hours, but a critical few hours. Japan got a far worse licking than they would have if they'd followed the rules. (Bataan didn't help their case either.)

Anti-war sentiment led to stupidity and isolationism. The US wanted economic hegemony but not the military consequences of being affluent and powerful in the hemisphere.

Japan and the USA are in different hemispheres.

Our interests in Asia, less the PI, were minimal. You need to talk to the UK and the Dutch.

The Japanese went for the Jugular by attempting to cripple the US surface fleet. Thats called good strategy. Surprise attack.

Speaking from 2007 where declaring war is considered quaint. In 1941 it wasn't. Japan had intended to declare war first, but the translation in DC as too slow and the envoys missed the window. On that basis your argument falls apart--they didn't intend a sneak attack in a legal sense, although the hour or so planned for would have amounted to the same thing on the ground in Hawaii. As for good strategy it fails there too, a point that's been endless ly hashed out. Subs were leaving on war patrols on December 8, and it was the subs that ultimately beat Japan, not battleships.

You can denounce Pearl Harbour all you like but at least it was a military target. Don't be righteous when your nation was the one that nuked hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who were being oppressed by a dictator.

The Emperor was a dictator? The Japanese people of the time certainly didn't feel oppressed by him. Tojo was long gone.

Showing he sub sink is appropriate also I think. Most games make you a hero that can't die.

Then the intro would have been far more appropriate for SH3.