Just adding to the frustration since I don't have the subsim I have been waiting for since early March. Oh well, the game I hear isn't all that great anyway according to reports.(patchs and mods not withstanding) I grew up on silent service by microprose and my imagination did most the work back in the day and it was great! Now, I guess things have changed, the games have become better in many ways, but why do I seem disappointed all the time? Maybe I expect to much or maybe the games just aren't as "fun" anymore. I don't know, but as the guys have been saying, us PC guys have really been getting the shaft for a good while. Maybe we should retaliate and not let our kids play con sole games!! haha