[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

I'm afraid of Islam because I nearly got blew up in the name of it. Simple as.

You must try harder to understand Islam's holy wisdom when trying to dominate your society, or even kill you. According to the Damast epigraph on his grave, Saladin (Sahaladdin) "cleaned the earth from the dirt of the infidels", and once after a battle won, he told his followers that he would pay each of them a certain ammount of money if they grab themsleves a prisoner and kill him in the presence of Sahaladdin. And that is what happened for the rest of the day, a fresh and funny beheading party, and every head falling was payed for with a handful of coins, and many of the soldiers and clerics alike on that day earned themselves a fortune.
Saladin also is seen as an icon of Islam, for he mercilessly enforced the rule of Sharia inside Muslim community, and enforced the totalitarian rule of Islamic dogma, he is also responsible for the killing of many promising "reformers" and "alternative thinkers" that tried to analyse or transcend Muslim dogma, most famous victim was the mystic Surawardhi, who was killed in the late 12th century. Saladin was called the ruler with the iron fist (sounds familiar if comparing to some contemporary disctators, maybe?) , and all thisbrutal stuff made Saladin very popular in Islam until today. He is seens as a hero, and not despite but because of his deeds he is seen like that.

It is not acceptable that you do not see the religious side in dirt like you being blown up, Penelope. Instead you are expected to hail Sahaladdin as a prime example of tolerance and cultural coexistence, like so many idiots in the West use to do, including most famous examples of Goethe ("Eastern Diwan") and Lessing ("Nathan"), in both men's writings he is turned into almost a saint that has nothing to do with the grim historical facts). Voltaire was once like that, too, but later seem to have understand what it was he was so well-meaning about, and since then he had no more friendly, but highly unfriendly words only for Islam (different to Goethe and Lessing, Voltaire illustated by that that he was a racist... )

You should be thankful if one day the task of blowing you up will be successful, penelope, because without dirt like you the earth necessarily will be a cleaner place. You must work on your wellmeaning and tolerance, or do you want to die as an ignorrant "racist"?

[Sarcasm off]

Enigma and Steed are right, fear craziness in all it'S forms, but fear shall not become commander of your deeds and actions. Fear can make you see that it's red alert, but beyond that it is a bad advisor. Meet Islam with unforgiving determination and an uncompromised demand of reciprocity, because it will find and exploit every weakness of yours, no matter how long it takes, and is driven by that belief that it only would be for the best of all mankind if all mankind is submitted and dominated by islam. Stepping back, and an obedience that is hurrying on ahead while mistaking this to be "tolerance" is not an option. That is the Islamic understanding of "peace": the absence of anything that could ask unwelcomed question about Islam and question it's self-perception while tolerance means (historically) a status of discriminatory and humiliating submission (which is a formulated demand in scripture). Needless to say that this has nothing to do with our understanding of peace and tolerance.

All what I said does not mean that you cannot meet a Muslim person whom is in favour of Wetsern liberties and vlaues, and is a friendly guy and a good buddy. The qustion you should ask is only this: is he really fully aware of the details of his faith he claims to be his own, or is it that he maybe just has created his own private representaion of something that in this form nerver existed, does not existed, and has nothign to do with the Islam as ruled by Muhammad and descriobed in Quran and Hadith/Sharia? Is he aware of the contradictions and collisions in details between Islam and Western lifestyle and indentiy and ethics, or does he just gloss over them?

A study in Britain some months ago found over one third of the muslim community finding violence acceptable if it helpts to piush Sharia in Britain (over the half amongst the young men) . In Germany'y Berlin, more than half of the turkish schoolboys openly support honour-killing in the name of sharia and Turkish identity, and over one third of the turkish girls agreeed, too. Thrpoughout Germany, Muslim communities try to enforce their presence in areas and regions where no Muslim lives and where 90% and more of the local residnets tell them they do not want them to build a mosque in their part of the city. Islam has not the smallest buzsines dthere, but claims the right to enforce it'S presence within communites that do not want it. It does not take any respect for the wishes of the residents. It is about pushing through a principle - that westerns must step back in the face of Islam. We are expected t learn that we need to give ground, that we are not allowed to resist, that it all is Islam's roght top claim all and everything, everyhwere, even against the total opposition of local population where not a single muslims lives.

Since three months, I work in a citizen's action group that is fighting against a muslim community here that has bought additional ground around it's mosque by making wrong statemnts about the identity of the buyer, and the intended use. Tjhe former owner agreed to the deal by the explicit condition that the groudn shall not be given further to the mosque and being sued to increase it. But they want to increase the mosque at all costs, in a section of the city that consists of only one-family houses, and is not a bit Muslim at all. Islam has not the smallest cause in that part of the city, nothing. The present mosque already caused confrontations, and residents there repeatedly got intimidated and offended. The court case is about document forgery, pretending of false facts, manipulating the deal and betrayal. their speaker even had the nerve to say that if they would not have done this, how they would have been able then to push through the increasing of the mosque? What is most depressing is - that the judge so far has not refused that logic. We are thinking about putting a file of objection on the grounds of suspected bias. You see, no matter how much trouble it causes, and how much confrontation - Islam must be pressed through, even against the opposition of the infidels that once were the owners of their homes.

BTW, we are all racists. Islamophopbic anyway. And probabaly also paranoid.