[Penelope_Grey]

Yes - you did good. I never said the British didn't. Rommel however was not stupid and in war, one days successes could turn into ones defeat tomorrow. The idea that you could have defeated Rommel back to Germany is pure conjecture.

Never did I say back to Germany. I said that the Africa corps were being beaten back as in they were not gaining any more ground and the British forces was pushing into theirs. When America came in to join Montgommery that was it they really were done for. Then there was the thrust up into sicily and Italy and then Italy folded when Mussolini was sacked by the King, and that was that, fenito Benito. (Couldnt resist)

You did not defeat the Luftwaffe. You only stopped them here - and it was a commendable job. It also set them back force wise. Don't think they wouldn't have been back if things started to work out better on the Eastern Front.

We didn't defeat them? Hitler gave in trying to best us in the battle of britain, he gave up, therefore, we won the battle of Britain. Might not be a KO type Victory, and yeah, the RAF only won on points, but they still won. Never was so much owed by so many to so few and all that.

Last time I checked, the American people had little say on whether or not troops were deployed at any one time. So I don't buy that.

What type of explanation is required here, it took a devastating attack on Pearl Harbour before the american population was ready to fight? How can that not be bought?

Ah hello? Anyone home? That is pure garbage! I won't even bother to moment on it.

I made a mistake here. The Americans were over here fighting the germans my brother told me about the flying fortresses taking off in the day and bombing Germany and the gathering of the invasion forces to go to France, and the thrust up through Italy which was consolidated with German troops. I never actually studied the fight in Italy so I was not aware what the American role was. I knew about north Africa but well, there were gaps. I only had pieces and thought it was a complete picture.

Only as the result of a waning public desire to support the war. Politicians vote to send the troops in, however sooner or later over the course of many years, politicians can be voted out of office. This is where the Ameican people can strike back at decisions they do not like.

So basically it was a poltical thing to make sure they got reelected. I understand now.

On the fight - not only could the US field more troops, it could outproduce Germany and this is truely the one factor that defeated them - the US could ourproduce the neccesary hardware - and this hardware we also gave to the British - even before we entered into this war prior to 1941. Quite simply put - the UK would have been over-run on every field had the US not supplied the neccesary hardware to fight back. This is why subs were deverted to stop it.

Well can't contradict anything there except for two words, gave and supplied. Nothing was given and supplied, Britain paid for every bit of American gear you sent out. Which is only fair!

That is your opinion. He was not invaded persey. We had a duty to defeat him. If we had not, this is how you would win a war against the US - your start the war, complete your objectives, surrender to the US, and then kick their inspectors out and forget about any ceasefire agreements that were put in place after the fact. Easy. Simple. Sounds strangely similar to what Hitler pulled.

Why do people keep insisting this was an invasion? The war from 1991 was not over! I guess it sounds better for the opposition.

A large military force enters another country forcefully, that is an invasion. Not only that, the UN did not sanction the measures. And the UK is as guilty as the US is for invading Iraq. Immaterial of 1991, the war was over, and had been over for well over a decade. Bush turned his guns on Iraq for a reason, and whatever reason that was we don't know yet, and Blair went along with him very readily. There were no WMD's there, and so lots of people are left wondering, why was Iraq invaded?

Then along comes aid for oil? I wonder, was it for oil all along like many claim?