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Skybird · 03-13-07, 07:46 AM

I agree that what I said will raise resistance from people who have an interest in keeping things as they are. Also, the example I gave concerning travel distances, is simplified, or left unfinished, for the sake of keeping my posting short. I know that. But that things are difficult does not necessarily mean that they are wrong. I do believe that our prime mistake is that we think we can get away if only we press the right buttons, or readjust some mechanical routines we got used to. That is wrong. I am absolutely convinced that we need to change our attitude, and world view as well as our priorities on what should be seen as valuable in our life, in order to survive as a civilisation, and maybe even as a species. Talking of mental evolution here - and as we all know, a species that does not evolute (is there such a verb?

), faces extinction sooner or later. Mankind has pro oven it's mechanic, tool-related intelligence so far, but intelligence, or wisdom if you want, goes beyond that, and wisdom I see openly little in our species, but a lot of emotional irrationalities, and instinct-driven automatic behaviour. we are victims of our own - maybe misled - evolution. Possible that our blueprint will be given up. As long as we think only in terms of "energy-saving engines", "ecology-days", "reducing consummation", we still live in a status of expecting that all world is only existent to fulfil our expectations, and that it all revolves around us. We need to learn instead that we have to fully, unconditionally fit into something that is much bigger and important than we are. Reducing long range holiday travel will only be successfully if people change the hierarchy of their beliefs on what makes a comfortable, worthy life: and that LR travel must not necessarily be a necessity to be happy. People tell me it takes them too much time to walk to the baker and get a bread, so they take a car. But the walk to the baker can have it's merits by itself if you go through a nice park nd the weather is fine. you can even learn to see it like that when it is raining. If you change your attitude on that "sparing time" issue, your behaviour changes all by itself. But our culture is not friendly towards such changes and helps to propagate especially values that are of the opposite "quality". You may think my example is profane, but then think of how willingly we have adopt to a society where parents reduce the time they spend with their kids in order to go to work, and/or even push their career. At younger and younger ages small children of 2, 3 years are given away into foreign hands or state-run institutions, so that their parents can go into the office. I think, such time priorities are severely messed up. Nevertheless we created a society were it is a must to behave like that if you wish to survive economically. We have become too abstract (talking as a mediation teacher here), and too materialistic.

BTW, I did not take your reply personally. I noticed that I have touched a nerve of yours, but your reply was ironic, not a personal attack. My reply that you quote was not meant as a personal attack either. Understand that reply of mine purely literally please. I said people agree to save the world, but not if they personally have to change themselves too drastically. You like to travel, okay. But your wish and preference is no must. That's what I was after. there are more important problems than your or my hobbies and preferences. BTW, if you can, do like I did, travel by ship and train only, it gives you far more intense an experience than getting beamed by Delta Airways. It changes your feeling of distance, and time, you get a far superior awareness of the world you pass through, while at angels 390, the world you travel is an abstract theory only. Snipping a finger and boom! you're on the other side of the planet, already is that abstract thing again that I pointed to above.

It's like diets. People eat too bad food, and in too huge quantities, then they make a diet to get rid of their weight, thinking that way they are fine to eat the same crap in the same amounts again afterwards. They want being cured without needing to change themselves, or their habits and attitudes. It is an attitude of constantly expecting that the world cares for us, and serves our comfort. The only way to reduce your weight CONSTANTLY is by changing your food habits forever, eating better food, and banning bad food (no matter how tasty it is).

03-13-07, 07:46 AM	#62
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,741 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I agree that what I said will raise resistance from people who have an interest in keeping things as they are. Also, the example I gave concerning travel distances, is simplified, or left unfinished, for the sake of keeping my posting short. I know that. But that things are difficult does not necessarily mean that they are wrong. I do believe that our prime mistake is that we think we can get away if only we press the right buttons, or readjust some mechanical routines we got used to. That is wrong. I am absolutely convinced that we need to change our attitude, and world view as well as our priorities on what should be seen as valuable in our life, in order to survive as a civilisation, and maybe even as a species. Talking of mental evolution here - and as we all know, a species that does not evolute (is there such a verb? ), faces extinction sooner or later. Mankind has pro oven it's mechanic, tool-related intelligence so far, but intelligence, or wisdom if you want, goes beyond that, and wisdom I see openly little in our species, but a lot of emotional irrationalities, and instinct-driven automatic behaviour. we are victims of our own - maybe misled - evolution. Possible that our blueprint will be given up. As long as we think only in terms of "energy-saving engines", "ecology-days", "reducing consummation", we still live in a status of expecting that all world is only existent to fulfil our expectations, and that it all revolves around us. We need to learn instead that we have to fully, unconditionally fit into something that is much bigger and important than we are. Reducing long range holiday travel will only be successfully if people change the hierarchy of their beliefs on what makes a comfortable, worthy life: and that LR travel must not necessarily be a necessity to be happy. People tell me it takes them too much time to walk to the baker and get a bread, so they take a car. But the walk to the baker can have it's merits by itself if you go through a nice park nd the weather is fine. you can even learn to see it like that when it is raining. If you change your attitude on that "sparing time" issue, your behaviour changes all by itself. But our culture is not friendly towards such changes and helps to propagate especially values that are of the opposite "quality". You may think my example is profane, but then think of how willingly we have adopt to a society where parents reduce the time they spend with their kids in order to go to work, and/or even push their career. At younger and younger ages small children of 2, 3 years are given away into foreign hands or state-run institutions, so that their parents can go into the office. I think, such time priorities are severely messed up. Nevertheless we created a society were it is a must to behave like that if you wish to survive economically. We have become too abstract (talking as a mediation teacher here), and too materialistic. BTW, I did not take your reply personally. I noticed that I have touched a nerve of yours, but your reply was ironic, not a personal attack. My reply that you quote was not meant as a personal attack either. Understand that reply of mine purely literally please. I said people agree to save the world, but not if they personally have to change themselves too drastically. You like to travel, okay. But your wish and preference is no must. That's what I was after. there are more important problems than your or my hobbies and preferences. BTW, if you can, do like I did, travel by ship and train only, it gives you far more intense an experience than getting beamed by Delta Airways. It changes your feeling of distance, and time, you get a far superior awareness of the world you pass through, while at angels 390, the world you travel is an abstract theory only. Snipping a finger and boom! you're on the other side of the planet, already is that abstract thing again that I pointed to above. It's like diets. People eat too bad food, and in too huge quantities, then they make a diet to get rid of their weight, thinking that way they are fine to eat the same crap in the same amounts again afterwards. They want being cured without needing to change themselves, or their habits and attitudes. It is an attitude of constantly expecting that the world cares for us, and serves our comfort. The only way to reduce your weight CONSTANTLY is by changing your food habits forever, eating better food, and banning bad food (no matter how tasty it is). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-13-07 at 08:08 AM.