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Originally Posted by XabbaRus
I think we should have light free fridays.
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Yes. For compensation we could reduce the number of thge many brain-free days that we already have.
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Originally Posted by Subman
Here I am - the only one who is in opposition again.
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Ehm, not really.
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Originally Posted by Joea
Oh now that's over the top, travel, including air travel has given me opportunities and benefits. I believe cars do cause more pollution globally anyway. I can do without tomatoes in winter (well I can buy canned, or dried) but we always traded for things like tea, wine and even oil. We always used it in my household growing up in Canada.
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You see, here it already starts as I predicted!
"Yes, save the world, but don't expect me to seriously change my living habits. I have plenty of good reasons, you see." Modern planes are okay beyond a certain distance, and if you have reasons to travel. Mass tourism is not. It even is no right.
Trading is okay in principle, nothing against that. I sell you what you don't have and can't produce yourself, and you sell me what I don't have and can't produce myself. That'S what trading originally has been about in past times. But why the hell must we sent container ships and cargo planes and trillions of trucks around with goods that the others at the target location alraedy have, and produce themselves??? Radios. refrigerators. Milk. butter. Eggs. Vegetables. Meat. TVs. Etc. Etc. Etc. Limit trading to those goods that are not available to the other. You have my vote. But today's practice is idiotic. Today, goods do not have so much a value in themselves, but by keeping them moving around. The longer they travel, the more precious they become. That is IDIOTIC. we are paying for the moving around, not for the item, the material it is made of, the work it took to build it. Ireland does not need milk from holland, germany does not need butter from Ireland, and Holland does not need grain from Germany. A goose must not be bred in Poland, must not be send to Holland for feeding, must not be send to spain for more feeding, must not be send back to Poland to be sold as Polish goose (it is an international coproduction by then anyway). It could be bred, raised, fed and sold on one and the same farm anyway. One could also mention airbus' crisis and it's Europe-wide spreading of production facilties to see that in such deeply sick structures also other problems are hidden.
First everybody consumes his own resosurces. and THEN deficits get taken care of by buying the according items and using what one has too much of one's own goods. That is what I consider to be clever trading. But admitted, it maybe is less profitable, so... But if somebody thinks he must have his Irish butter in Germany and therefore all the energy and effort during the logistical efforts must be maintained in the name of "free trade" and "democracy", because it is so much more tasty (probably only in his imagination anyway), then I could not care less for that man. He better should change his taste, basta.