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Originally Posted by Crosseye76
500 feet should put you below the layer. Without VDS, you can be pretty noisy and a Surface ship won't be able to hear you, or Ping you.
I don't think SH3 has the layer, but I think I read somewhere on the forum that SH4 will have a basic one.
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SH3 does not have layers modeled. However, depending on the sea state, climate, current, time of year, or any number of other conditions, you can have a very deep thermal boundry, sometimes in the neighborhood of 1000 feet. In some cases, you just can't be under the layer.