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rascal101 · 03-09-07, 11:06 PM

Very interesting post, you are right to bring this up, and I'm glad to notice many of the 'stars' you mention are UK not just US, that's not a crit of the US, just saying thanks for noticing. And yes many of todays 'stay at homes' are weird, at least as weird as some of the other stay at homes, in concervative pollitics and business who are so in favor of this war, but who choose not to sacrifice their own sons and daughters.

As for stars 'staying home and not going to war and fighting for the country we love etc' I have a little concern about your implication here.

Those guys in WW2 had a real war, against real, defined foe, not some trumped up fiction, that began with a lie. When they died they didn’t get a mass produced signature from an insincere secretary of state, their governments sent an individual and heart felt thank you to their families.

When they were wounded they got outstanding medical care from the best that was available at the time, not mould and mildew in ill kept hospitals along with government and corporate excuses.

Our grandparents fought for an America that stood for freedom and individual rights, not a motley bunch of corporates out to make a buck or two. Their America stood for justice and didn’t export torture around the world, nor did they imprison people for years on end with out a trial or a jury.

As you so rightly point out, in WW2, every one was affected, even film stars and most every one made a sacrifice. I would be more sympathetic to your point of view were there a few more sons and daughters of UK or US politicians, corporate elates or evangelicals facing the firing line, but they're not, instead they're making a buck or two on oil futures on Wall ST and in London. When your film stars and others fought in WW2 they knew they were fighting for freedom, not Halliburton, not big oil and not for a motley assortment of mining, construction, and other utility providers.

I am utterly sickened but the waste of outstanding US young people on this obscene lie concocted by Bush, Blair and others of lesser stature, and while we are about it let’s mention the well over 80,000 Iraqis who have also been forced to make their own private contribution.

So I hope you are not saying that people who disagree with this war are some how un American, or Un British. Because from my point of view, people who oppose this war are showing considerable love and dedication to their country and fellow citizens by opposing it.

Please don’t compare the sacrifice and hardship faced by our grand parents with this cynical and mismanaged corporate fiasco. One day I hope those who started and sought this war will face the full gamut of international law, until then, my thoughts and best wishes go to all the men and women of all sides whose lives and families have been caught up in this evil adventure.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS

In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollyweirdos,"
the real actors of yester-year loved the United States.

They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War II many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love.

They gave up their wealth, position and fame to
become service men &women, many as simple "enlisted men".

This page lists but a few, but from this group
of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of
their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross',
Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor.

So remember; while the "Entertainers of 2006" have
been in all of the news media lately I would like to
remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (64 years ago).

Most of these brave men have since passed on.

"Real Hollywood Heroes"
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Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day.

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James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.

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Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.

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David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy.

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James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his way to the rank of Colonel.

During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty.
Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre,and 7 Battle Stars during World War II.

In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s.

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Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out)
Although he was beyond the draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II, Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the A A F on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles.

He attended the Officers' Candidate School at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942 .

He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where he flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s.

Capt. Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on Jun. 12, 1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat.

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Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.

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Ernest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.

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Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart.

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Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more specifically on B-29's in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan

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George C. Scott was a decorated U.S.Marine.

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Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943.

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Brian Keith served as a U.S.Marine rear gunner in several actions against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.

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Lee Marvin was a U.S.Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign where he was wounded earning the Purple Heart.

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John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal.

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Robert Ryan was a U. S.Marine who served with the O. S. S. in Yugoslavia.

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Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed) joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

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Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played cowboy parts:

Most Decorated serviceman of WWII and earned:
Medal of Honor
Distinguished Service Cross
2 Silver Star Medals
Legion of Merit
2 Bronze Star Medals with "V"
2 Purple Hearts
U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal
Good Conduct Medal
2 Distinguished Unit Emblems
American Campaign Medal
European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star
Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France)
World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp
Armed Forces Reserve Medal
Combat Infantry Badge
Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar
Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar
French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre
French Legion of Honor
Grade of Chevalier
French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star
French Croix de Guerre with Palm
Medal of Liberated France
Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm.

So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when compared to the hollyweirdos today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them?

Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate
our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in
anti-American parades and saying they hate our president?

My how times change, but the memories will linger on ...

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03-09-07, 11:06 PM	#6
rascal101 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 769 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	Very interesting post, you are right to bring this up, and I'm glad to notice many of the 'stars' you mention are UK not just US, that's not a crit of the US, just saying thanks for noticing. And yes many of todays 'stay at homes' are weird, at least as weird as some of the other stay at homes, in concervative pollitics and business who are so in favor of this war, but who choose not to sacrifice their own sons and daughters. As for stars 'staying home and not going to war and fighting for the country we love etc' I have a little concern about your implication here. Those guys in WW2 had a real war, against real, defined foe, not some trumped up fiction, that began with a lie. When they died they didn’t get a mass produced signature from an insincere secretary of state, their governments sent an individual and heart felt thank you to their families. When they were wounded they got outstanding medical care from the best that was available at the time, not mould and mildew in ill kept hospitals along with government and corporate excuses. Our grandparents fought for an America that stood for freedom and individual rights, not a motley bunch of corporates out to make a buck or two. Their America stood for justice and didn’t export torture around the world, nor did they imprison people for years on end with out a trial or a jury. As you so rightly point out, in WW2, every one was affected, even film stars and most every one made a sacrifice. I would be more sympathetic to your point of view were there a few more sons and daughters of UK or US politicians, corporate elates or evangelicals facing the firing line, but they're not, instead they're making a buck or two on oil futures on Wall ST and in London. When your film stars and others fought in WW2 they knew they were fighting for freedom, not Halliburton, not big oil and not for a motley assortment of mining, construction, and other utility providers. I am utterly sickened but the waste of outstanding US young people on this obscene lie concocted by Bush, Blair and others of lesser stature, and while we are about it let’s mention the well over 80,000 Iraqis who have also been forced to make their own private contribution. So I hope you are not saying that people who disagree with this war are some how un American, or Un British. Because from my point of view, people who oppose this war are showing considerable love and dedication to their country and fellow citizens by opposing it. Please don’t compare the sacrifice and hardship faced by our grand parents with this cynical and mismanaged corporate fiasco. One day I hope those who started and sought this war will face the full gamut of international law, until then, my thoughts and best wishes go to all the men and women of all sides whose lives and families have been caught up in this evil adventure. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollyweirdos," the real actors of yester-year loved the United States. They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War II many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love. They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men &women, many as simple "enlisted men". This page lists but a few, but from this group of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross', Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor. So remember; while the "Entertainers of 2006" have been in all of the news media lately I would like to remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (64 years ago). Most of these brave men have since passed on. "Real Hollywood Heroes" http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=3 Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=4 James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=5 Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=6 David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=7 James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his way to the rank of Colonel. During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty. Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre,and 7 Battle Stars during World War II. In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=8 Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) Although he was beyond the draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II, Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the A A F on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles. He attended the Officers' Candidate School at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942 . He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where he flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s. Capt. Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on Jun. 12, 1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=9 Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=10 Ernest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=11 Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=12 Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more specifically on B-29's in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=13 George C. Scott was a decorated U.S.Marine. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=14 Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=15 Brian Keith served as a U.S.Marine rear gunner in several actions against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=16 Lee Marvin was a U.S.Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign where he was wounded earning the Purple Heart. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=17 John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=18 Robert Ryan was a U. S.Marine who served with the O. S. S. in Yugoslavia. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=19 Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed) joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. http://adsfree01.mail.com/scripts/mail/getattch.mail?folder=INBOX&msg_uid=1173225139&part sno=20 Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played cowboy parts: Most Decorated serviceman of WWII and earned: Medal of Honor Distinguished Service Cross 2 Silver Star Medals Legion of Merit 2 Bronze Star Medals with "V" 2 Purple Hearts U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal Good Conduct Medal 2 Distinguished Unit Emblems American Campaign Medal European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France) World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp Armed Forces Reserve Medal Combat Infantry Badge Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre French Legion of Honor Grade of Chevalier French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star French Croix de Guerre with Palm Medal of Liberated France Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm. So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when compared to the hollyweirdos today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our president? My how times change, but the memories will linger on ... [/quote]