Currently Germany sees an ongoing parliamentary examination of a related case as well. And there is a living witness, he is known, and confesses in public. It does not matter if he is trustworthy in what he reports, or not, that he was illegally abducted is beyond doubt - even for the US government. The US did not reject. Not that I have sympathy for this Mr. Kurnaz, a turk who refused to become German and surely has sympathies for Islamic radicals and sought contact to them in Pakistan, he is a highly suspicious individual, if only you look deep enough into it. but I am really upset about the arrogant stupidity that is displayed by illegal abductions like those being done by the CIA - it created vulnerabilites in the West's moral arguments, and easily does more damage than what is gained in wins. It'S a pity, it makes things complicated, it is nerve-killing - but laws must be followed. An agency cannot just walk around and do like it pleases, in the name of this or that or whatever. the procedure must be legal according to the actual rules and laws. Else you expose your own credibility to criticism that your moral superiority is only a lie.
Which in these cases, unfortunately is true.
Stupid to allow that.
You can do such actions. But first change the laws, allowing that. Which means a farewell to another piece od democracy and freedom. You can't have everything, so you must decide if it is worth it, and then make a choice.
Such hearings like Kurnaz in Germany are currently run or are on ice in several European countries. If the US intel community now threatens to rethink intel ties to Europe, than this is ridiculous and completely pointless. There is no doubt that CIA floghts and abductions inside europe took place. It also is beyond doubt that often the suspects are flown to countries outside the Western sphere, where tirture is allowed and can be used without westerners being held responsible for it.
all what I want is that the game is called by it's real name. I'm sick and tired of the self-deceptions, the lies, and the empty phrases and the glossing over.
It is even more ridiculous that european governments and the EU as well critizised the US months ago for these practices, while meanwhile it turned out that all the time they knew, and sometimes even actively were engaged and supported ongoing CIA abduction operations and CIA flights.
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