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Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x
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strangely inspite of those blemishes winston and mush
still remain in my good books why I cant say I have a
great and vehemenent anethema for Lemay and Harris.
why is it we can call Osama a devil incarnate for
killing 2700 odd people but we will pin a CMH on lemay
for making a million non combatants homeless and killing
a quarter million of them at a stroke.
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Let's not trot out some moral equivelency argument here as it just does not hold water. LeMay and Harris didn't develop their operational goals and habits overnight or in a vacuum. Before there was a Tokyo or a Dresden there was a Nanking, a Pearl Harbor, a Rotterdam and a London. Germany and Japan pointed the way toward total war and the rest of the world followed. What was unthinkable in 1940 was a matter of course by 1945. And, both Tokyo and Dresden were legitimate military targets; the former was the home to thousands of workers who assembled weapons in small dispersed workshops and the latter was a major transportation and communications hub that had not been heavily damaged up to that point.
As for OBL , he is a true terrorist who targets symbols of the "Great Satan" and other Western states; embassies, warships, financial centers, military quarters and HQs, transportation centers, etc. In choosing these targets he attempts to maximize the death toll as this underlines the message of vulnerability.
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Well thats part of the point the machine held up that Rotterdam was on purpose and it was held up that acts like that made the germans monstorous I agree morality shouldnt be wishy washy but hypocrisy is the worst of it. (not you)
they held up that Rotterdam was monstrous and that Gernika was too
why is it monstorous when the other side does it and a "necessary job of work" when we do it. Should not we hold ourselves to the same standards under which we convict them.
( please lets not use this to open the debate on whether american troops should be held accountable for war crimes if you need to address that start a thread.)
We live in an imperfect world and we are but men also imperfect.
but does that mean we shouldnt work to improve our world or
ourselves. if old moralities from a middle eastern village of a few thousand
years ago cant describe an appropriate morality for genetics.
and that morality would say no genetics is the work of the devil or
unnatural. but in an ever evolving universe morality should be morality
for all the reasons it is needed among societies but morality should never be static in the presence of evolution.
OBL just wants to create conditions that will unite the arab superstate.
thats what the "Foundation" is for I think. and to fuse yourselves into a single economic and political union of states isnt a new idea.
the world didnt change on 911 its always been that way.
I certainly do not endorse his tactics or his self justified morality
however I feel that all of what OBL does has been done before,
in other places and times.
Begin and Arafat come to mind.
enuough back to subs.
MM