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? Portugal and Spain are reduced to their homelands whereas Islam has expanded in every direction. Isn't this a fact? If Portugal and Spain had as a principle to conquer the world they'd have continued in that attempt wouldn't they? Of course, it's a lot less appealing to convince people to "convert" to Portuguese or Spanish citizenship, and that just causes alot of problems, than to convince someone to convert to Islam. |
"The treaty effectively countered the bulls of Alexander VI and was sanctioned by Pope Julius II in a new bull of 1506." Without the pope's sanction it would be just a treaty between two coutries. WITH that sanction it looks different, isn't it? Throughout the European history in these times it was said and believed that "God gave these lands by pope's mouth to Christian kings of Portugal and Spain". THAT was, what I meant.
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Islam is like any other religion or ideology. It evolves. Christianism had to go through its 2k years history full of blood, hatred and suffering before it became a (quite) peacefull religion. Even Bhuddism has blood on its hands. As almost every ideology does. But that doesn't mean that "Islam is evil". If it's so, that means any human ideology or thought is evil. Democracy is evil too, as thousands of people die now in Iraq, because Americans want to plant it on Iraqi ground with their military power.
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You are saying that a religion is just like an ideology or that ISlam is an ideology? I think you've managed to insult almost every Muslim in the face of the Earth. Besides from Christians, Bhuddists, etc. |
Yes, I'm saying any religion is an ideology. "Religion" is (for me) a word to name the kind of ideology that says the source of law, order, good and evil etc. is god. Other ideologies refer to different sources of these values. One believes in god, other in nature and the third in mankind or anything else. If that is offensive or insulting, stating that there is god should be insulting too to those who don't share this belief. But it's not. What was the point? Should I refrain from sayiong I don't believe in God not to insult anyone? Do we want to go so far?
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You've said you came here to fix bull**** with facts. You're just a bull****ter yourself with some culture but little understanding. Abd_von_Mumit.
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Oh... and that would be offensive, if I took it personally. I have never called anyone a bull***ter on these nor other forums. I strongly believe any discussion should focus on the topic that matters, to be
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ad personam. And again we don't share the same beliefs. And again I don't find this insulting...
Hmm... This discussion went far from the original topic. That's also partially my fault. From the pork to the Bible and linguistic issues... I'll try not to continue this. But, you know, at least my original post was on topic (I hope) and I tried to bring some fresh look on discussed issues and correct some thesis posted above, regarding Islam. Sorry to the bored ones.