[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Quagmire can also and is used in the political arena. You are using it as a soley military term.

Not using, asking. Waiting for an answer to this question

"Do you mean "quagmire" militarily or poltically?"

Which I now have. Thanks

because you frame it as such doesn't make it so.

see above (swap using with framing)

Which is the point of my original post. If you cannot see that, well your position is noted.

Eh? I haven't taken a position yet!

For the record, I think Iraq is a bloody mess militarily, and not much better in the political arena. There seems to be very little will among the government to end the violence, and the population seem determined to vote on religious grounds. Which makes no bloody sense to me. Also, the Sunni/Shia imbalance from the previous regime is being carried on today, a lot of grudges are being held that would be best, if not easily, forgotten.

Granted there are some patriots inside the Democrat party. Let me see...yup, they definitely exist, I just finished counting them with the fingers of one hand.

All the better. Not being a patriot doesn't automatically equate to working for your countrys destruction. I'd always prefer realism over pride/loyalty/patriotism/duty. But that's just me