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01-30-07, 06:45 PM

Yes, I am fair to my beloved Americans. Listen – it was the hero American sub skippers who complained and fought about all the things I am speaking about here. It was actually only the very BEST sub skippers who did most of the fighting with the stupid hidebound authorities in Naval command. Why? Because when a new or regular sub skipper tried to bring up these issues they were relieved of command or EVEN THROWN OUT OF THE SUB SERVICE!!!! Only the guys with all the medals and 10 ships under their belt could complain and survive. It took these brave men almost 2 years to finally get tests. Actually some of them had done tests at Pearl but the Navy IGNORED them. These brave sub skippers are the ones who are actually the FATHERS of America’s modern submarine force.

In the 1920s Coolige’s words: “The business of America is business.” Was so true. America was never much of a military power prior to WWII. In the 30s, the ‘The Yard’ (Annapolis) was more of a rich boy’s club than a naval academy. Even in early WWII men who had a good rating with that club got commands of subs and were quickly promoted to admiral without ever having seen combat or sunk a ship – while many talented men who had, were passed over. America would have been even half bright had they sent for some of those unemployed German U-boat commanders who had served the Kaiser in WWI, to come and train America’s force. But of course such a concept was out of the question of peace time America. America’s military as a whole was a laughing stock during the 20s and 30s. The business of America was business, not war.

One reason the Japanese did not take ASW seriously was because their losses to American subs was so low in the first few years THEY SAW NO REASON TO TAKE IT SERIOUS.

The deficiencies I have been outlining were all details that the new breed of American naval warriors had to discover and fight for 2 years and more. All the deficiencies I mentioned are what America’s hero sub skipper stated themselves. Will someone then accuse these heros of being unfair? It was the hidebound creeps hosing up the system who were unfair. As a result, SH4 is likely going to be several orders less realistic than SH3. Unless that is a good modder can reverse the roles and make the game about Japanese subs against US escorts and DDs, who both had radar early and were glad to use it.

01-30-07, 06:45 PM	#6
Wave Skipper Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	You Guys Are Accusing America's Heros Yes, I am fair to my beloved Americans. Listen – it was the hero American sub skippers who complained and fought about all the things I am speaking about here. It was actually only the very BEST sub skippers who did most of the fighting with the stupid hidebound authorities in Naval command. Why? Because when a new or regular sub skipper tried to bring up these issues they were relieved of command or EVEN THROWN OUT OF THE SUB SERVICE!!!! Only the guys with all the medals and 10 ships under their belt could complain and survive. It took these brave men almost 2 years to finally get tests. Actually some of them had done tests at Pearl but the Navy IGNORED them. These brave sub skippers are the ones who are actually the FATHERS of America’s modern submarine force. In the 1920s Coolige’s words: “The business of America is business.” Was so true. America was never much of a military power prior to WWII. In the 30s, the ‘The Yard’ (Annapolis) was more of a rich boy’s club than a naval academy. Even in early WWII men who had a good rating with that club got commands of subs and were quickly promoted to admiral without ever having seen combat or sunk a ship – while many talented men who had, were passed over. America would have been even half bright had they sent for some of those unemployed German U-boat commanders who had served the Kaiser in WWI, to come and train America’s force. But of course such a concept was out of the question of peace time America. America’s military as a whole was a laughing stock during the 20s and 30s. The business of America was business, not war. One reason the Japanese did not take ASW seriously was because their losses to American subs was so low in the first few years THEY SAW NO REASON TO TAKE IT SERIOUS. The deficiencies I have been outlining were all details that the new breed of American naval warriors had to discover and fight for 2 years and more. All the deficiencies I mentioned are what America’s hero sub skipper stated themselves. Will someone then accuse these heros of being unfair? It was the hidebound creeps hosing up the system who were unfair. As a result, SH4 is likely going to be several orders less realistic than SH3. Unless that is a good modder can reverse the roles and make the game about Japanese subs against US escorts and DDs, who both had radar early and were glad to use it.