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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
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Originally Posted by waste gate
The problem is that socialist leaders are little more than dictators in training.
Show us where a country with many poor people have been elevated to middle class standards under a socialist system. I don't see many Cubans, Bolivians, Venezualians, or anyone from a socialist country on the internet. I cannot think of a better sign that that nation has a thriving middle class.
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You won't find it. Socialism is a con job. It promises everything and delivers nothing. The one thing that promoters of socialism can't seem to get is that there is this thing called "human nature". Incentive is a part of human nature. When you operate with a system that virtually kills incentive to produce, you ultimately end up with less for everyone. And when you end up with less, your system looks crappy. That's when the political oppression begins in these little crackpot socialist dictatorships. The big problem is Socialists think that people are either robots or can be made to function like an ant colony. I'm actually hoping the "enlightened"  ones will finally see Socialism as the con job that it is. Karl Marx was a bum who was not a net producer in his own society. So of course he would write about the wonders of "collectivism". Geesh. It ain't so hard to see the con job.
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So what you are saying is the only people who want socialism are those who either can't or won't give back, by productivity, to that society?